Nancy Pelosi

[daCat]

“I’m not saying she did, except that I’m saying she did.”

Gotcha. It’s okay, dude. We’re all familiar with your playbook.

And again, it's about me. Because killing the messenger is more palatable than dealing with the issue.

[BChris]

This playing the victim shit is ridiculous. But expected. If an "issue" exists in your head, that's YOUR issue.

[Deschet]

Okay. Let’s just put all of this in one, easy-to-follow line. First off, Pelosi’s husband did exactly what most people like him would do: try to get out of it. He played the privilege card and it fell flat. They’re predicting jail time but, in my experience, guys like that never get jail time. The truth is, it’s simply an embarrassment for Pelosi, who was planning on visiting Taiwan well before his drunken escapades.

Let me repeat that last line again. She was planning to go anyhow. She never definitively said Taiwan was off the table. Instead, she simply didn’t telegraph her final decision.

This leads us to your first response:

Gotta wonder about the timing. Today, her husband pleaded not guilty of driving under the influence in an accident causing bodily injury. And this on the heels of one of the biggest potential cases of insider trading since forever.

"But look over here! I'm doing something brave!"

No. You’re not outright saying she used Taiwan as a distraction. But… you did everything but, somewhat akin to saying, “I’m not saying it’s a duck, but it has feathers, a duck bill and wings, it flies and is surrounded by a flock of ducks.”

When tOSU said he was simply happy she did it, you doubled down on your skepticism:

You're more generous than I.

After being again called out for, again, consistently calling out Democrats for being opportunistic scumbags (while excusing similar behavior of conservatives), you accused us of attempting to read your mind. I still contend that no one needs to read your mind. You said what you said and there was little room for interpretation. You also introduced the idea that we have a playbook. Which is truly ironic, as you most definitely have yours.

And here we are again with a leftie "reading the mind" of someone they disagree with. It's almost like it's in the playbook. And in your case, that Trump obsession thing, it's outright hypocrisy.

Invoking my hating Trump as analogous to your skepticism of Pelosi is utterly laughable. One is a plutocratic bag of douche who, for once, did something right. The other attempted a fucking autocoup, in an attempt to thwart the peaceful transfer of power. And, that’s the cherry on top of all the other heinous shit that you likely wish Pelosi had tried, but didn’t.

I didn't say she did. I did say all the stars line up for such a thing. Like me, you are left to draw your own conclusion as to the why.

I like your confidence. But I need to see the certificate that authorizes you to be the arbiter of what constitutes left/right, sane/insane.

Again, you double-down, saying I don’t know if Pelosi wasn’t using the trip she already planned as a distraction… which is spurious logic at best. But, it does illustrate your deep contempt for any action taken by the other team.

I’m confident that most people I know don’t see me as being extreme on many issues. And, I’m certain that the only people who would refer to me as a “leftie” do so out of a warped perspective.

Which leads you to your latest claim at victimhood:

And again, it's about me. Because killing the messenger is more palatable than dealing with the issue.

The messenger of what? Conspiratorial thinking? Of floating out baseless claims? The only reason it’s even remotely about you is because you’re the one calling her motives into question.

You want to know the most likely thinking on Pelosi’s part? It’s probably that she was thinking that she was somewhat fortunate as to the timing of her trip coinciding with her husband’s shenanigans.

But, rest assured that Fox (and of course your cadre of fringe right wing media outlets) will not be so easily distracted and will beat her husband’s DWI like a drum, even though it actually has little to do with Nancy Pelosi at all. But… I’m sure that this won’t be done as a distraction from the fact that she just effectively gave Xi and Communist China the middle finger. Nope. Not at all.

[BChris]

You're wasting your time pointing out the obvious to someone who doesn't believe in truth or facts.

[theBHMAguy]

No. Whenever a Democrat does anything… like, anything at all… you always think they did it for the wrong reasons. If it’s a Conservative? Nope. They did it for all the right reasons.

None of them do it for the right reasons.

[Deschet]

None of them do it for the right reasons.

I believe all politicians are opportunistic. I think some do things for the right reasons but, I believe they’re also cognizant of how these things help them.

[theBHMAguy]

I believe all politicians are opportunistic. I think some do things for the right reasons but, I believe they’re also cognizant of how these things help them.

Those that do it for the right reason aren't on a level to make a difference for a large group of people. Those people are on the very local levels.

If those people get to bigger levels, it's very hard to do what's best and keep doing what you are doing.

So maybe it was unfair to say "none of them"...but at least in Washington on both sides, almost none of them are doing it because it's what's best for theBHMAguy, Deschet, DaCat, DPR, Spartan, etc. They don't give 2 shits about us and what's right.

[Deschet]

Those that do it for the right reason aren't on a level to make a difference for a large group of people. Those people are on the very local levels.

If those people get to bigger levels, it's very hard to do what's best and keep doing what you are doing.

So maybe it was unfair to say "none of them"...but at least in Washington on both sides, almost none of them are doing it because it's what's best for theBHMAguy, Deschet, DaCat, DPR, Spartan, etc. They don't give 2 shits about us and what's right.

I more or less agree. If they do something that benefits you or me, it’s almost accidental.

[Nash]

You're more generous than I.

daCat hates uppity women.

[tOSUfanboi2]

daCat hates uppity women.

Who doesn’t? I’ve met more middle aged women I want to punch in the face than any other demographic.

[Deschet]

Who doesn’t? I’ve met more middle aged women I want to punch in the face than any other demographic.

I think what he’s getting at is that, given a man and a woman, both exhibiting an equal degree of uppitiness, DaCat would find more fault with the woman than with the man.

[tOSUfanboi2]

I think what he’s getting at is that, given a man and a woman, both exhibiting an equal degree of uppitiness, DaCat would find more fault with the woman than with the man.

I would too, do you know why? Because once you step outside of the world you live in, you realize that the lower rungs of society are massively stacked in women’s favor. Public schools are almost entirely catered to their learning style and general temperament, they effectively don’t pay taxes, and a good chunk of them straight up don’t work at all and never face consequences for it. I’ve seen known meth addicts who have been locked up multiple times get their kids back from good foster homes, because vagina. Meanwhile, guys like me who are the definition of a model citizen in every regard have to spend thousands just to have a shot.

But really, I could let all of that go if not for one specific type. These are the (almost exclusively white) women that think because they sucked a smart or successful guy’s dick that they accomplished something in life. You didn’t. You’re a tag along and your ego isn’t justified, so stop talking down to people that don’t have the luxury of blowing their way to economic security. Now come closer so I can give you the uppercut you deserve.

[riker7]

Why is a member of Congress going to a foreign country on the taxpayer dime? Isn't that what the State Department is for? I don't have a problem with Pelosi going to Taiwan but she should do it on her own dime.

[BChris]

Why is a member of Congress going to a foreign country on the taxpayer dime? Isn't that what the State Department is for? I don't have a problem with Pelosi going to Taiwan but she should do it on her own dime.

Business trip?

[riker7]

Business trip?

The new Pelosi clothing line.