Nothing On The Buffalo Mass Shooting?

[DSMoneypit]

So you don't trust our govt for gun registries why is that an infringement on your privacy? The 4th and the 1st protect your 2nd.

I suppose you don't trust the govt for voter id info either which means voting is fraudulent forever.

https://www.rcfp.org/journals/wake-j...ews-publishin/

This is why I don't trust the government with a registry. That information has, until recently, been public record. News agencies have used this information to intimidate carry permit holders in the past. They got their hand slapped, and now they're trying to say that proposed legislation to prevent them from having access to that information is an infringement of their rights. With the constant push by the anti-gun lobby to restrict, ban, abolish everything related to guns, I have no doubt they would use a registry to intimidate gun owners.

[DSMoneypit]

Yes. They were mindful of these things. They were also very fearful of a standing army, and as they had no design for there to be one, included the 2A in the Bill of Rights.

Madison (and Mason) indeed proposed it primarily to bolster state militias. Remember, that the 2A was an anti-federalist measure and, the well-regulated militia clause can be argued as clearly defining the rationale for gun ownership. After all, these were not men that minced words, and if they didn’t intend to qualify the amendment, they wouldn’t have included the militia clause. As they did include it, it’s therefore reasonable to conclude this.

Regardless, it’s not logical to conclude that any civilian force, no matter how armed-to-the-teeth, could ever, at this point, present even a tiny threat to the government. Thus, the militia point as a bulwark against government tyranny is rendered moot.

You do realize that we literally just tucked tail and ran from a country with no tanks, aircraft, or weaponary more advanced than light arms and rpgs. A nation that actually has fewer weapons than the US civilians currently have.

[sctrojan]

https://www.rcfp.org/journals/wake-j...ews-publishin/

This is why I don't trust the government with a registry. That information has, until recently, been public record. News agencies have used this information to intimidate carry permit holders in the past. They got their hand slapped, and now they're trying to say that proposed legislation to prevent them from having access to that information is an infringement of their rights. With the constant push by the anti-gun lobby to restrict, ban, abolish everything related to guns, I have no doubt they would use a registry to intimidate gun owners.

You fucking idiot, the gunmaps basically alert the rest of us who not to fuck with so consider it a win.


If the govt wanted to fuck you personally don't you think they have your IRS info, service record, census record, voter id and driver's license?

Why do you trust the govt with that info but not gun ownership?

If you show any aggressive behavior using your guns, the cops can 55-19 your Marine ass in a second.

Please stop your stupid slippery slope arguments about gun registry.

[DSMoneypit]

Yes. They were mindful of these things. They were also very fearful of a standing army, and as they had no design for there to be one, included the 2A in the Bill of Rights.

Madison (and Mason) indeed proposed it primarily to bolster state militias. Remember, that the 2A was an anti-federalist measure and, the well-regulated militia clause can be argued as clearly defining the rationale for gun ownership. After all, these were not men that minced words, and if they didn’t intend to qualify the amendment, they wouldn’t have included the militia clause. As they did include it, it’s therefore reasonable to conclude this.

Regardless, it’s not logical to conclude that any civilian force, no matter how armed-to-the-teeth, could ever, at this point, present even a tiny threat to the government. Thus, the militia point as a bulwark against government tyranny is rendered moot.

Oh, and I am confused by your comments on Madison and Mason. Mason left the constitutional congress because he felt that individual freedoms were not being protected enough. Mason is the reason we have the Bill of Rights. His position on the an armed populace was quite clear. I ask sir, what is a militia? It is the whole population, except a few public officials. That doesn't sound like someone who thinks that the weapons should only be allowed for a militia, that sounds like saying every citizen should be armed because every citizen, with the exception of a few public officials, is the militia.

IIRC, that quote was penned to Madison after the 2 amendment was written, but before being finalized because Mason felt the term Militia was ambiguous and wanted it worded differently. That is when Madison added the line "the right of the people" to the second amendment. It's been a while since I have researched the constitutional congress and read most of the letters between the framers though, so I may have the order on that wrong.

[sctrojan]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Who makes up the militia? The people duh!

So let's focus on the word militia instead of the word people

[sctrojan]

So since Buffalo, it's been Laguna Woods, Uvalde and now Tulsa.

How soon have we forgotten about the victims of Buffalo.

It's been barely a fortnight