Nothing On The Buffalo Mass Shooting?

[Deschet]

I can see what you're intending to imply, but I respectfully disagree. All most all of the founding fathers, who played a significant part in framing the basis for the constitution, were quite vocal that an armed populace was a good thing. Most notably James Madison who wrote and George Mason who had an influence in it's creation. But I'm sure you knew that. What I'm not sure of is whether you really believe that the amendment was only to avoid a standing military and not that they also intended to keep the population armed in general.

Yes. They were mindful of these things. They were also very fearful of a standing army, and as they had no design for there to be one, included the 2A in the Bill of Rights.

Madison (and Mason) indeed proposed it primarily to bolster state militias. Remember, that the 2A was an anti-federalist measure and, the well-regulated militia clause can be argued as clearly defining the rationale for gun ownership. After all, these were not men that minced words, and if they didn’t intend to qualify the amendment, they wouldn’t have included the militia clause. As they did include it, it’s therefore reasonable to conclude this.

Regardless, it’s not logical to conclude that any civilian force, no matter how armed-to-the-teeth, could ever, at this point, present even a tiny threat to the government. Thus, the militia point as a bulwark against government tyranny is rendered moot.

[DSMoneypit]

Its not an exaggeration, those are factual numbers. There have been 288 shootings at schools this year. Nowhere else in the world has there been more than 10. Why is that? Ease of access + Poor mental health care. We can and need to fix both, and the answer is not just enforce the laws that got us here.

No there haven't. Unless you're using the same criteria as this group who said there have been almost 2000 school shootings since 1950. Then you read the rationale behind that number. It includws anytime a gun was brandished or fired, or a bullet hit school property, no matter when the event happened and whether there were any victims.

Post your methodology. I posted government studies, with actual numbers concerning Australia, which you dismissed but at least I posted actual studies that support my position. You posted a meme with nothing to support it. The only numbers I can find for this year is 27 from gunpolicy.org. None of which were active shooter mass shootings other than Uvalde.

[sctrojan]

When have I ever advocated for us to own tanks or any of that other shit. I was simply pointing out how fucking hypocritical and ignorant the anti-gun crowd is when it comes to gun laws. I advocaye for background checks, I just want the system fixed. I advocate for waiting periods and stricter requirements for owning firearms. The only thing I am vehemently opposed to is a gun registry. I do not trust our government, they have proven time and again to not care about the rights of its citizens, so I sure as hell don't trust them with a firearm registry. Especially considering when given a partial one, politicians used it to target their constituents by releasing that information to a paper.

So you don't trust our govt for gun registries why is that an infringement on your privacy? The 4th and the 1st protect your 2nd.

I suppose you don't trust the govt for voter id info either which means voting is fraudulent forever.

[sctrojan]

I wonder how many people wanting gun control will still feel the same about it when Trump is elected again and decides to seize complete power.

You fucks had your chance on 1/6 and left your guns at home.

So let's fucking dispense with DS concern about armed citizens uprising against a despotic govt.


Trump tried to grab power but our institutions held. There are going to be other repubs who will try shit and Dems will fucking protect us all.

No need for citizens to own guns

[sctrojan]

Yes. They were mindful of these things. They were also very fearful of a standing army, and as they had no design for there to be one, included the 2A in the Bill of Rights.

Madison (and Mason) indeed proposed it primarily to bolster state militias. Remember, that the 2A was an anti-federalist measure and, the well-regulated militia clause can be argued as clearly defining the rationale for gun ownership. After all, these were not men that minced words, and if they didn’t intend to qualify the amendment, they wouldn’t have included the militia clause. As they did include it, it’s therefore reasonable to conclude this.

Regardless, it’s not logical to conclude that any civilian force, no matter how armed-to-the-teeth, could ever, at this point, present even a tiny threat to the government. Thus, the militia point as a bulwark against government tyranny is rendered moot.

Whenever gun nuts like DS read the 2nd everything prior to the dangling participle is ignored.

[JTrain]

No there haven't. Unless you're using the same criteria as this group who said there have been almost 2000 school shootings since 1950. Then you read the rationale behind that number. It includws anytime a gun was brandished or fired, or a bullet hit school property, no matter when the event happened and whether there were any victims.

Post your methodology. I posted government studies, with actual numbers concerning Australia, which you dismissed but at least I posted actual studies that support my position. You posted a meme with nothing to support it. The only numbers I can find for this year is 27 from gunpolicy.org. None of which were active shooter mass shootings other than Uvalde.

You either ignored the posts I made with links, or didnt care to click them. I'll let you choose which. The Australia numbers show that since tighter gun laws there have been 0 mass shootings in the country. None of this makes the point you think you are making. Children are dying because our sick citizens have easy access to guns. This notion that cutting a number down to where we are still significantly worse than everyone else and should do nothing is absurdism.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90755612...has-had-dozens

So for the record...your argument here has been:

1. Other countries do it too!
2. Changing things in other countries hasnt fixed anything (It has, literally to the point where the problem is non existent)
3. Our laws would work if they were enforced (Then why havent they)
4. Changing things would be hard, so lets not even try! Aww dead kids, but lets go shootin' our ARs out back for Murica!

I hope you use better arguments when speaking to people IRL.

[Spartan]

I wonder how many people wanting gun control will still feel the same about it when Trump is elected again and decides to seize complete power.

Libs are sheep. They'll cheer just like they did for the Patriot Act.

[sctrojan]

Libs are sheep. They'll cheer just like they did for the Patriot Act.

Huh? Patriot act was started by Bush

Leave the Dems cock out of your filthy mouth

[Deschet]

Huh? Patriot act was started by Bush

Leave the Dems cock out of your filthy mouth

You realize that it was passed with overwhelming bipartisan support, right?

[sctrojan]

You realize that it was passed with overwhelming bipartisan support, right?

At a time when the country was under attack? Sure Dems were put in a corner - support Bush or you're with the enemy.

Dems were in the minority in 2003

[Deschet]

At a time when the country was under attack? Sure Dems were put in a corner - support Bush or you're with the enemy.

Dems were in the minority in 2003

Dude. You need to crack open a history book. That might have been the last time both parties were on the same page. I realize that this doesn’t fit your imaginary narrative. But… just look it up, sport.

[Spartan]

Huh? Patriot act was started by Bush

Leave the Dems cock out of your filthy mouth

Barbara Lee, my hometown rep, does not deserve to be included in my comment. Every single one of the rest of you can choke on a bag of donkey ducks.

[sctrojan]

Dude. You need to crack open a history book. That might have been the last time both parties were on the same page. I realize that this doesn’t fit your imaginary narrative. But… just look it up, sport.

What the fuck does the patriot act have to do with gun massacres ?

[sctrojan]

How sad we have already forgotten about the Buffalo Massacre.

[Deschet]

What the fuck does the patriot act have to do with gun massacres ?

I don’t know. You brought it up. I was just here to tell you that you were wrong. You should be used to that by now.