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  • #16
    Originally posted by ivegostdacityblues View Post


    Literally all he had to do was taser the dude. Or push his wheelchair over. If protocol is all that bullshit you wrote than the protocol sucks.
    Or disable the wheelchair, or simply clear the path around him until you figure out which one you want to do, or any number of things. Shooting the guy 9 fucking times was not called for or necessary.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

      Settle down lol.

      You can’t tell me that he had to shoot that guy. He’s in a fucking motorized wheelchair and you have a whole tool belt of shit that can bring him to a dead halt. The guy who shot him is a fucking idiot and never should’ve been allowed to become a cop.
      Do I have to start treating you like Trojan? No where in my post did I say he had to shoot the guy. I know reading is tough, but I figured you were better than Trojan.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ivegostdacityblues View Post


        Literally all he had to do was taser the dude. Or push his wheelchair over. If protocol is all that bullshit you wrote than the protocol sucks.
        Again people, what happened is well documented. Quit spreading bullshit or speculating on what the cop could have done. I never said what happened was protocol, nor did I justify what the cop did. I simply outlined the chain of events as they happened. It's not hard. You see something that seems fucked up, you try to find actual evidence of what happened. You don't see a crazy headline and make assumptions. Come on, give it a shot. You should do this from now on. It won't reduce your frustration, but it will keep you from looking like a jackass if you're wrong.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DSMoneypit View Post

          Again people, what happened is well documented. Quit spreading bullshit or speculating on what the cop could have done. I never said what happened was protocol, nor did I justify what the cop did. I simply outlined the chain of events as they happened. It's not hard. You see something that seems fucked up, you try to find actual evidence of what happened. You don't see a crazy headline and make assumptions. Come on, give it a shot. You should do this from now on. It won't reduce your frustration, but it will keep you from looking like a jackass if you're wrong.
          I really don’t even know what you’re trying to say.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

              I really don’t even know what you’re trying to say.
              It's really quite simple. Y'all are acting like the 20 second video of the cop shooting the guy was the entirety of the situation. Deschet, as well as others have implied that the cop just "decided to put the man in his place" because of some power play. That is not what happened. Was the shooting justified? No, but it wasn't a case of trying to establish power over the guy. If that was the case, the cop would have just shot himas soon as he started running from the cop. Not chase the guy on foot for several hundred feet and only fire on the guy as he tries to enter another business where there are potential victims.

              I can understand the thought process, but the shooting wasn't justified. As far as people saying he should have just pushed over the mobility scooter, yall are fucking morons. Those things are not that easy to push over because they're designed to remain stable. They have a low center of gravity so it takes some force to push them over. Not to mention doing so would place you within reach of the knife.

              Like I said, all it takes is a little research tonavoito avoid sounding like trojan trying to discuss firearms.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by DSMoneypit View Post

                It's really quite simple. Y'all are acting like the 20 second video of the cop shooting the guy was the entirety of the situation. Deschet, as well as others have implied that the cop just "decided to put the man in his place" because of some power play. That is not what happened. Was the shooting justified? No, but it wasn't a case of trying to establish power over the guy. If that was the case, the cop would have just shot himas soon as he started running from the cop. Not chase the guy on foot for several hundred feet and only fire on the guy as he tries to enter another business where there are potential victims.

                I can understand the thought process, but the shooting wasn't justified. As far as people saying he should have just pushed over the mobility scooter, yall are fucking morons. Those things are not that easy to push over because they're designed to remain stable. They have a low center of gravity so it takes some force to push them over. Not to mention doing so would place you within reach of the knife.

                Like I said, all it takes is a little research tonavoito avoid sounding like trojan trying to discuss firearms.
                You’re right. He should have swept the leg.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DSMoneypit View Post

                  It's really quite simple. Y'all are acting like the 20 second video of the cop shooting the guy was the entirety of the situation. Deschet, as well as others have implied that the cop just "decided to put the man in his place" because of some power play. That is not what happened. Was the shooting justified? No, but it wasn't a case of trying to establish power over the guy. If that was the case, the cop would have just shot himas soon as he started running from the cop. Not chase the guy on foot for several hundred feet and only fire on the guy as he tries to enter another business where there are potential victims.

                  I can understand the thought process, but the shooting wasn't justified. As far as people saying he should have just pushed over the mobility scooter, yall are fucking morons. Those things are not that easy to push over because they're designed to remain stable. They have a low center of gravity so it takes some force to push them over. Not to mention doing so would place you within reach of the knife.

                  Like I said, all it takes is a little research tonavoito avoid sounding like trojan trying to discuss firearms.
                  I’m not a trained police officer, and I am 100% confident I could handle a weak old man in a motorized scooter with a knife without using a gun. I wouldn’t even need a taser, just give me a stick.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by DSMoneypit View Post

                    Deschet, as well as others have implied that the cop just "decided to put the man in his place" because of some power play. That is not what happened. Was the shooting justified? No, but it wasn't a case of trying to establish power over the guy. If that was the case, the cop would have just shot himas soon as he started running from the cop. Not chase the guy on foot for several hundred feet and only fire on the guy as he tries to enter another business where there are potential victims.
                    I could buy that he was trying to stop the perp before he encountered more potential victims after the first couple of shots in the back. But 9? And a distinct pause before the last? Then putting his knee on and cuffing a fucking dead man? Shooting at the entrance of another store, where a cashier is in the line of fire?

                    No, this dude didn't have any hero things on his mind.

                    This isn't the first time I've seen cops use heinously excessive force on a disabled person, either.


                    This cop should have his cock and balls cut off, stuffed in his mouth, have his mouth sewn shut, then be disemboweled, drawn and quartered, then have his head put on a pike outside of the police headquarters.

                    Then I bet the next electric wheelchair fugitive is taken in without incident.

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                    • #25
                      I don't even understand what DSM is trying to say here? I never implied that the cop was the one who was afraid of the handicapped man with a knife. Unless the dude is some ace knife thrower, he isn't a threat unless you let him be a threat.

                      The issue is that the cop had all the time and options in the world to address the situation and settled on 9 bullets to the back.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by DSMoneypit View Post
                        For fuck's sake guys. I'm tired of this shit. I am not defending the cop, and you go see my comments about his actions in the other thread. I'm so fucking tired of yall telling a part of the story and then going hollywood trying to make a historical movie.

                        Your descriptions of what happened are about as accurate as Mel Gibson's Braveheart. The only facts you got right were: 1) He had a knife 2) He was shot in the back.

                        The cop that shot him was not the person who called in the knife. It was a loss prevention specialist from walmart. The cop then chased the guy through the parking lot trying to get him to drop the knife. It wasn't until this guy tried to enter another business armed, that the cop escalated the use of force from verbal commands.

                        It's god damn lies and intentional misrepresentation of facts that lead protest and riots. Sadly, some of the false comments and conjectures in this thread are made by the same people who were bashing the media for soing the same thing in the Rittenhouse situation.

                        Be better people.
                        If I may...

                        "It was at the Walmart where Richards reportedly stole a toolbox, and an employee alerted off-duty TPD officer and security liason Ryan Remington."

                        ""I have a male suspect that just shoplifted, left in front of me, he pulled a knife on me," Remington radioed in."

                        "The video shows Richards beginning to enter the Lowe's when Remington tells him, "Do not go into the store, sir." Seconds later, the officer begins shooting Richards, who slumps over and falls out of his chair and onto the ground."

                        Walmart employee got the off-duty cop working security at the store. I've seen no report where the Walmart employee "called in the knife". It seems to be the cop that radios in about the knife to Tucson police that gets the on-duty officer with the body cam to respond.

                        Escalated from commands? Do not go into the store to shooting him 9 times? How about throwing in a stop or I'll shoot? The on-duty officer didn't fire a shot at the wheelchair guy so doesn't look like both officers were in agreement on using deadly force.
                        Last edited by TTURedRaider; 12-05-2021, 11:13 AM.

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                        • #27
                          https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...times-in%3famp

                          Officer Ryan Remington of Tucson was terminated for excessive use of force.

                          "His use of deadly force in this incident is a clear violation of department policy and directly contradicts multiple aspects of our use of force and training," Tucson Chief of Police Chris Magnus said during a press conference earlier this week, the AP reported.

                          Remington, a veteran, had been placed on special duty assignment which was "basically a security detail" at the Walmart located in the city's Midvale Park Shopping Center, the AP reported.

                          A Walmart employee and Remington claimed that Richards showed a knife during the incident, refused to comply with orders from the officers to hand over the weapon and began to move away, the BBC reported.

                          Surveillance footage from the Walmart and police body cams released by the Tucson police department show Remington and another officer walking behind Richards in the Walmart parking lot and one officer instructing him to "not go into the store," the BBC reported.

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                          • #28
                            Jeff Noble served as a deputy police chief in two California police departments. He has studied use of force, co-written books on the topic and testified in court cases where police deadly force was an issue. He viewed video provided by TPD.

                            Noble says Richards was moving away from officers as he rolled toward the store and the only other person visible on the video was a store worker still a distance from Richards.

                            As for the nine shots the officer fired, Jeff Noble says officers are often trained to fire twice, then decide if more shots are needed to end a threat but he did not see justification for even one shot.

                            https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kgu...ce%3f_amp=true

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by TTURedRaider View Post

                              If I may...

                              "It was at the Walmart where Richards reportedly stole a toolbox, and an employee alerted off-duty TPD officer and security liason Ryan Remington."

                              ""I have a male suspect that just shoplifted, left in front of me, he pulled a knife on me," Remington radioed in."

                              "The video shows Richards beginning to enter the Lowe's when Remington tells him, "Do not go into the store, sir." Seconds later, the officer begins shooting Richards, who slumps over and falls out of his chair and onto the ground."

                              Walmart employee got the off-duty cop working security at the store. I've seen no report where the Walmart employee "called in the knife". It seems to be the cop that radios in about the knife to Tucson police that gets the on-duty officer with the body cam to respond.

                              Escalated from commands? Do not go into the store to shooting him 9 times? How about throwing in a stop or I'll shoot? The on-duty officer didn't fire a shot at the wheelchair guy so doesn't look like both officers were in agreement on using deadly force.
                              https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/us/ar...ing/index.html

                              "According to the employee, he caught up with Mr. Richards outside as he fled the store and asked to see a receipt for the toolbox. Instead of providing the receipt, Mr. Richards brandished a knife and said, 'Here's your receipt.'"

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                              • #30
                                Why are people trying to make this guy out as a reasonable police officer? Why?

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