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  • Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

    I don't think it's quite that simple, though. You can't tell me that someone like Bobby Kotick is a dyed in the wool leftist just because he reads the statements his PR team and lawyer gives him, you have to look at their behavior. A lot of these people operate like ruthless capitalists and simply wear the garb of a man of the people. Honestly, I don't even know what I'd classify the executive class as politically at this point in time. They're definitely believers in the neoliberal model to some extent, but they'll even betray those values if it suits them. They're more like apolitical sociopathic free agents.
    That's the thing about neoliberalism, is amorphous. Some of the SocDems who interacted with it in the 50s and 60s thought that it was a type of socialism because they advocated for government assistance to businesses devastated by the war. It's like trying to pin down fascism as a coherent set of beliefs.

    I'd argue that executives like Kotick have more in common with organized crime bosses who operate in a theoretically fully free black market but who use their power and influence to force a local monopoly. They'll show their faces to the local communities as supportive of orphans and widows but would kill everyone of them if they got in the way of profits.
    Last edited by Spartan; 07-01-2022, 03:41 PM.

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    • Originally posted by Spartan View Post

      That's the thing about neoliberalism, is amorphous. Some of the SocDems who interacted with it in the 50s and 60s thought that it was a type of socialism because they advocated for government assistance to businesses devastated by the war. It's like trying to pin down fascism as a coherent set of beliefs.

      I'd argue that executives like Kotick have more in common with organized crime bosses who operate in a theoretically fully free black market but who use their power and influence to force a local monopoly. They'll show their faces to the local communities as supportive of orphans and widows but would kill everyone of them if they got in the way of profits.

      I think this is a good way to put it. I’m mostly left on social issues. I vote Democrat (again, spare me the guillotine…it’s reluctantly), but the corporate elites who side with these cause aren’t allies. They want the good blip on Twitter for a day that might help them in some other way.

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      • Originally posted by Spartan View Post

        That's the thing about neoliberalism, is amorphous. Some of the SocDems who interacted with it in the 50s and 60s thought that it was a type of socialism because they advocated for government assistance to businesses devastated by the war. It's like trying to pin down fascism as a coherent set of beliefs.

        I'd argue that executives like Kotick have more in common with organized crime bosses who operate in a theoretically fully free black market but who use their power and influence to force a local monopoly. They'll show their faces to the local communities as supportive of orphans and widows but would kill everyone of them if they got in the way of profits.
        Yep.

        And for those of you who don't know much about ol' Bobby, look him up. Everything you hate about modern video games can be traced back to him, and if it just stopped there, he wouldn't be that bad of a guy. But that's not where it ends. No, our friend Bobby likes to sexually harass and bully people in between sailing on his yacht and laying off hundreds or thousands of people after reporting record profits. When he's not busy with that, he's making public statements pontificating about how shitty his customers are while refusing to apologize or even acknowledge the very obvious role he's had in everything that's happened under his leadership. And the best part? He's beloved in the corporate world. Literally a fucking rock star who flew on Epstein's jet and has shaken hands with multiple presidents. These people are fucked up.

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        • Originally posted by ivegostdacityblues View Post


          I think this is a good way to put it. I’m mostly left on social issues. I vote Democrat (again, spare me the guillotine…it’s reluctantly), but the corporate elites who side with these cause aren’t allies. They want the good blip on Twitter for a day that might help them in some other way.
          The left isn't going to make any serious progress in this country until they throw these fuckers overboard. And by "these fuckers", I mean Democrats that are really Reagan Republicans with a better PR team who don't give two shits about their constituents.

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          • Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

            The left isn't going to make any serious progress in this country until they throw these fuckers overboard. And by "these fuckers", I mean Democrats that are really Reagan Republicans with a better PR team who don't give two shits about their constituents.

            See Boomer thread. It’s that generation of Dems mostly. And that’s still the entire leadership of the party.

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            • Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

              There you go. But you understand that when you talk about leftist political philosophy, especially on the further ends of the spectrum, economic issues like the one you're referring to are at the forefront and he openly shits on all of their values. That's why I say these people exist in their own category and really don't match any of our commonly used labels. Left, right, middle, all they see is green and what gets them the most of it. Corporate wisdom in the modern day told these people that by embracing left wing social causes they could keep the poors at bay and deflect criticism of their shitty business practices, and a lot of liberals fell for it hook line in sinker and adopted them as their own. What they don't realize and will be forced to realize soon is, once word gets out that people hate all of that woke shit and being a dick is more popular, you're going to see the worst kinds of corporate abuse we've had in the last 100 years. Count on it.

              I'd also just like to say that for people like Spartan who identify as being leftists but hate Democrats, claiming they support people that they want to see get forcefully neutered by angry crows is offensive.
              Limousine Leftists but really they are just neoliberals.

              Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

              The left isn't going to make any serious progress in this country until they throw these fuckers overboard. And by "these fuckers", I mean Democrats that are really Reagan Republicans with a better PR team who don't give two shits about their constituents.
              The activists are all left. The donor class is mostly neoliberal nimby assholes. Thus Pelosi, Schumer, etc as leadership.
              Last edited by TTURedRaider; 07-01-2022, 07:12 PM.

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              • Originally posted by TTURedRaider View Post

                Limousine Leftists but really they are just neoliberals.



                The activists are all left. The donor class is mostly neoliberal nimby assholes. Thus Pelosi, Schumer, etc as leadership.
                Pelosi is leader because she can get shit done in the house. It's not all about money.

                Same goes for Mitch in the senate

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                • 10-year-old girl denied abortion in Ohio

                  Wtf is wrong with America? 10 year old girls getting raped happens in shithole countries like India

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                  • Originally posted by sctrojan View Post
                    10-year-old girl denied abortion in Ohio

                    Wtf is wrong with America? 10 year old girls getting raped happens in shithole countries like India
                    According to a doctor in Indiana, I read up on it.

                    1.) There’s absolutely no way to verify whether or not what this person is saying is actually true, nor should there be. People are entitled to their privacy, especially minors who are victims of a crime. You can believe them or not. I’m skeptical.

                    2.) That doctor should be ashamed of themselves for talking about their patients to the public, even in an abstract way. Lets assume for a second this story is true, the girl is found, and she ends up getting hounded by the media? Does that sound like something a 10 year old rape victim should be going through?

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                    • President Biden planned to nominate anti-abortion GOP judge the day of Roe ruling. Biden's intended nomination drew a firestorm of criticism from Democratic officials in Kentucky who were informed by the White House of the president's intentions.
                      It is still unclear why the White House did not follow through with the nomination it had planned, nor when it might be submitted.
                      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...001/?gnt-cfr=1

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                      • Oh boy, now these rape stories are going to be the profile in courage de jour from the pro-abortionists.

                        I actually understand the premise behind not having a rape exception....because that opens the door to even more false accusations. There are states that have a rule that in order to qualify for the rape exception that formal charges have to be filed. I am fine with that in theory as it woukd encourage women to come forward sooner, but at the same time that is still an open door for false accusations.... which absolutely ruin the lives of men and the women have zero consequences for a false accusation. If there were serious consequences for false accusations, I would be on board with that kind of rule... but there isn't.

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                        • Originally posted by ibleed View Post
                          Oh boy, now these rape stories are going to be the profile in courage de jour from the pro-abortionists.

                          I actually understand the premise behind not having a rape exception....because that opens the door to even more false accusations. There are states that have a rule that in order to qualify for the rape exception that formal charges have to be filed. I am fine with that in theory as it woukd encourage women to come forward sooner, but at the same time that is still an open door for false accusations.... which absolutely ruin the lives of men and the women have zero consequences for a false accusation. If there were serious consequences for false accusations, I would be on board with that kind of rule... but there isn't.
                          You lost me at pro-abortion. What percentage of pro-choice advocates do you believe are pro-abortion?

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                          • Originally posted by Deschet View Post

                            You lost me at pro-abortion. What percentage of pro-choice advocates do you believe are pro-abortion?
                            I would suspect that it is higher than you think, since we are now at the point where we have people firebombing parental centers and openly mocking the "choice" of adoption.

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                            • Originally posted by ibleed View Post

                              I would suspect that it is higher than you think, since we are now at the point where we have people firebombing parental centers and openly mocking the "choice" of adoption.
                              Adoption leads to child molestation so fuck off with your let rape babies be adopted plan

                              The world has 7b unhappy people we don't need more. Even the world's richest man is unhappy - divorced dad of some 7 kids
                              Last edited by sctrojan; 07-03-2022, 02:41 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by ibleed View Post

                                I would suspect that it is higher than you think, since we are now at the point where we have people firebombing parental centers and openly mocking the "choice" of adoption.
                                Meh. I disagree. The people bombing things are fringe for either side. They are the statistical outliers. Again. This is a Bell Curve. Most are somewhat conflicted. Most would not call themselves pro-abortion. Remember, a person who is pro-choice can still choose not to have an abortion.

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