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  • #31
    Originally posted by ivegostdacityblues View Post
    How is Western Europe not socialist when any American politician who proposes Western European ideas deemed a socialist?
    Are we going to go back to this whole public schools are socialism thing? Because if so, I’m not playing.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

      Are we going to go back to this whole public schools are socialism thing? Because if so, I’m not playing.

      No, Western Europe has universal health care, it pushes for stronger green energy initiatives, it is more union friendly, their borders are open across the continent...ect. If someone ran on these platforms here they’d be called a socialist.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by ivegostdacityblues View Post


        No, Western Europe has universal health care, it pushes for stronger green energy initiatives, it is more union friendly, their borders are open across the continent...ect. If someone ran on these platforms here they’d be called a socialist.
        And those people are wrong for the same reason idiots like Bernie Sanders are wrong for calling them socialist.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by FuqMizzou View Post
          22 trillion in debt, are there any reasons to vote for either incompetent party....

          I'm drawing a blank.
          You get the govt you vote for or don't.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

            Chile doesn’t have the same economic and military might that the U.S. has, which forces them to play by a different set of rules in certain areas. I’m not sure why you have trouble understanding this. Either way, everything they do outside of the corporate bailouts and war mongering (recent developments) is literally modeled after the U.S.

            I’ll be anxiously awaiting your extensive list of countries that aren’t controlled by a relatively small group of wealthy and/or influential individuals. I’d also like to know where all of these countries are that don’t leverage their advantages to benefit said small group. I’m sure they’re all over the place.
            Close. Both are based on Milton Friedman. The difference is that a US installed dictator completely reset the economy to be completely Chicago style in one country while the political establishment overlayed it on top of a military-industrial complex and social democracy to create a neoliberal Frankenstein's monster in the other.

            Just like I'm waiting for any example of collectivism. But that's not what you or I had said. You argued that there should be a calcified social structure that allows for no mobility. You don't get to move the goalposts and pretend you win.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Spartan View Post

              Close. Both are based on Milton Friedman. The difference is that a US installed dictator completely reset the economy to be completely Chicago style in one country while the political establishment overlayed it on top of a military-industrial complex and social democracy to create a neoliberal Frankenstein's monster in the other.

              Just like I'm waiting for any example of collectivism. But that's not what you or I had said. You argued that there should be a calcified social structure that allows for no mobility. You don't get to move the goalposts and pretend you win.
              Again, I fail to see how that’s not “American style capitalism” I mean what is your argument here, that Chile and the U.S. are radically different countries with different problems and capabilities? Because I’m pretty sure that’s a no shit statement.

              Humans didn’t evolve for collectivism, we evolved to be hyper competitive and climb hierarchies. Ever watch a documentary on chimps? We’re a smarter version of that. I didn’t argue for anything either, I’m simply pointing out the obvious trend that has existed for all of human history. A small minority of people control the vast majority of the resources and power while the majority simply get by. There’s varying degrees within that framework obviously, but the fundamentals are the same everywhere in the world. You have a problem with that, which is fine, but assuming things can be any different when you have millions of years of evolution working against you is pretty silly. Keep on keeping on though, I’m sure the 28th utopian experiment will be the one that finally works.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

                Again, I fail to see how that’s not “American style capitalism” I mean what is your argument here, that Chile and the U.S. are radically different countries with different problems and capabilities? Because I’m pretty sure that’s a no shit statement.

                Humans didn’t evolve for collectivism, we evolved to be hyper competitive and climb hierarchies. Ever watch a documentary on chimps? We’re a smarter version of that. I didn’t argue for anything either, I’m simply pointing out the obvious trend that has existed for all of human history. A small minority of people control the vast majority of the resources and power while the majority simply get by. There’s varying degrees within that framework obviously, but the fundamentals are the same everywhere in the world. You have a problem with that, which is fine, but assuming things can be any different when you have millions of years of evolution working against you is pretty silly. Keep on keeping on though, I’m sure the 28th utopian experiment will be the one that finally works.
                My argument is that the regulatory body of the US tries to cut a middle path which ends up making it more similar economically to Nazi Germany than any capitalist state.

                All that I'm reading is you spinning your wheels over collectivism. Again, give me an example of anyone asking for it. Anyone at all.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Spartan View Post

                  My argument is that the regulatory body of the US tries to cut a middle path which ends up making it more similar economically to Nazi Germany than any capitalist state.

                  All that I'm reading is you spinning your wheels over collectivism. Again, give me an example of anyone asking for it. Anyone at all.
                  So you want to steal people’s money to fund a massive welfare state that provides for everyone from
                  birth to death and claim you’re not a collectivist? You’re the one with some explaining to do here, not me.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

                    So you want to steal people’s money to fund a massive welfare state that provides for everyone from
                    birth to death and claim you’re not a collectivist? You’re the one with some explaining to do here, not me.
                    LMFAO! Next you're going to try to tell me that joint stock corporations are collectivist because they raise capital from millions of individuals. Alright, bro. You've got me. My goal with UBI is a new Great Leap Forward.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Spartan View Post

                      LMFAO! Next you're going to try to tell me that joint stock corporations are collectivist because they raise capital from millions of individuals. Alright, bro. You've got me. My goal with UBI is a new Great Leap Forward.
                      Those are voluntary interactions, forcefully stealing wealth via taxation to pay for welfare queens isn’t. You wanna stop being a coward and own your shit or am I going to have to taunt it out of you?
                      Last edited by tOSUfanboi2; 09-11-2019, 10:34 AM. Reason: removed an insult

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

                        Those are voluntary interactions, forcefully stealing wealth via taxation to pay for welfare queens isn’t. You wanna stop being a coward and own your shit or am I going to have to taunt it out of you?
                        He's never gonna get it.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

                          Those are voluntary interactions, forcefully stealing wealth via taxation to pay for welfare queens isn’t. You wanna stop being a coward and own your shit or am I going to have to taunt it out of you?
                          Taxation isn't theft. One chooses to live in a society. If you want to go full survivalist and love in a cabin in the woods off the grid, you can do that. No, not everyone can do that, because a society allows for higher population density than rugged individualism and we have passed a point where the planet as a whole could support everyone. But individuals can do so. Taxes are the cost of participating willingly.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Spartan View Post

                            Taxation isn't theft. One chooses to live in a society. If you want to go full survivalist and love in a cabin in the woods off the grid, you can do that. No, not everyone can do that, because a society allows for higher population density than rugged individualism and we have passed a point where the planet as a whole could support everyone. But individuals can do so. Taxes are the cost of participating willingly.
                            No, but stealing their property and redistributing it through social programs via mob rule is. Nobody is complaining about paying taxes on gas, or sales tax, or cigarette taxes, or the billion other things we’re taxed on. Anyone with a brain recognizes that in order to have a good or service, you have to pay for it. What I and many others take issue with is the idea that someone is responsible for improving someone else’s quality of life simply because they earn more money.

                            Nobody is starving in this country, damn few are homeless against their will, we have free K-12 education, we have labor laws, on and on. I just wanted to establish that first, because this idea that people are sincerely fighting for their lives in our modern economy is total horse shit. If someone can’t find a way to utilize the vast resources society already has in place for them and make a life for themselves, it’s a them problem. I’m not responsible for making sure Taquisha has enough money left over to afford the new iPhone, or ensuring that Jethro can afford Cowboys tickets. If they want that shit, they can work and earn it just like everybody else does. Food, water, shelter? Got all that covered, arguably to a greater extent than we should in some cases. Anything else? Fuck you, work and earn it or go without.

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                            • #44
                              https://www.wsj.com/articles/boes-ca...p_wsj&ru=yahoo

                              Mr. Carney also said that even with very high levels of government borrowing, major nations including the U.S. still have capacity to borrow and spend more to help stimulate growth in times of trouble, although he noted this ability to borrow is “not unlimited.”
                              Borrow. Spend. Stimulate. Crash. Rinse. Repeat.

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