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    Anyone notice this weird trend. I've touched on it before a bit in mentioning Matt Taibbi, Michael Tracey, and Aaron Mate, among others. Now we have Glenn Greenwald.

    It seems these people are so entrenched in proving any narrative against Russia false that they have allowed themselves to become caricatures of themselves. Take Glenn here:

    https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/statu...72092136521732

    Schiff is the most pathological liar you've ever seen in your lifetime covering politics? Really Glenn? You can't think of anyone else that might lie occasionally? And why? Because Schiff is accusing Russia of hacking information from Americans to use against them. Which is almost certainly the case here. Fuck, the DoJ just indicted 6 Russians for hacking international/American interests yesterday. He demands that the Bidens answer all of his questions, no matter how absurd, so that he can continue pushing this story. And anything running counter to it must, ironically, also be attacked: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statu...41501434122240

    It is a story that he himself admits is mostly meaningless: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statu...28478287224834

    He also spends a considerable amount of time attacking other "liberal" journalists and liberal figures. Like, 99.9% of his attacks are aimed at liberals at a quick glance of his Twitter feed.

    Taibbi isn't as frantic but also just as ridiculous. Imagine saying this with a straight face as if Fox News didn't already exist: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1318359027617759232

    These people claim to be liberal but spend nearly every day of this campaign cycle attacking Democrats and, oddly, defending Russian disinformation designed to damage Biden.

    What is the end-game for these people? If they are honestly concerned about corruption and lying and a free and independent press, then why are they spending all of their time attacking Biden and Democrats, who would absolutely be an upgrade over Trump in those areas? Why aren't they saying a single word about this: https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1318547402371010563

    Limiting foreign correspondents from staying in your country is a classic way to suppress outside media so the world cannot know what is going on in your country. Surely Glenn, who has been staying in Brazil for years, would be up in arms about this, right?

    I get holding Dems feet to the fire, but by doing so right up to an election, they actually risk tilting it to Trump who will be far worse than their supposed desires. I don't get it.

  • #2
    Matt Taibbi is a good dude and I’ve enjoyed his work quite a bit. I think insinuating that he has some sort of hidden motive is pretty shitty, dude is just a journalist, and right now one of the biggest stories is hypocritical and authoritarian people on the left.

    For those of you who don’t know, this is a guy who has gone after the likes of Goldman Sachs, so he’s earned his street cred. Definitely not some Tim Pool “I hung out at Occupy Wall Street” kind of character.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post
      Matt Taibbi is a good dude and I’ve enjoyed his work quite a bit. I think insinuating that he has some sort of hidden motive is pretty shitty, dude is just a journalist, and right now one of the biggest stories is hypocritical and authoritarian people on the left.
      I used to like him a lot, but lately he has been sketch. And that tweet is just...braindead. How do you miss Fox News? But I disagree about this being one of the biggest stories right now. How are people on the left authoritarian at the moment? Further, even if that were true, which I dispute, how is that more concerning than the full-on embrace of QAnon by the mainstream GOP and things like Trump endorsing an extrajudicial murder of a US citizen on American soil at a rally a few days ago? Or him calling for his political opponents to be jailed (again)? Those seem like bigger stories. Taibbi seems to be searching for people rolling a stop sign while ignoring the bank robbers that just sped through it.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DPR View Post

        I used to like him a lot, but lately he has been sketch. And that tweet is just...braindead. How do you miss Fox News? But I disagree about this being one of the biggest stories right now. How are people on the left authoritarian at the moment? Further, even if that were true, which I dispute, how is that more concerning than the full-on embrace of QAnon by the mainstream GOP and things like Trump endorsing an extrajudicial murder of a US citizen on American soil at a rally a few days ago? Or him calling for his political opponents to be jailed (again)? Those seem like bigger stories. Taibbi seems to be searching for people rolling a stop sign while ignoring the bank robbers that just sped through it.
        How many people are already reporting on everything you listed vs how many are reporting on issues within the left? Also, look at his career. This is a guy who has spent his entire career reporting on a very particular type of corruption, and right now, major figures on the left are the primary cause of that. What do you want him to do? Not recognize the obvious bias the media has towards the Democratic Party right now? Ignore the fact that Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post and conveniently stays out of the headlines despite being a money grubbing cock sucker? Or let’s talk about social media companies infiltrating peoples private conversations on their platforms to issue bans and delete posts based on what they say, something they literally never did before.

        Sorry bro, the left is doing a lot of fuck shit right now, and people need to shed light on it if it’s ever going to stop.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

          How many people are already reporting on everything you listed vs how many are reporting on issues within the left? Also, look at his career. This is a guy who has spent his entire career reporting on a very particular type of corruption, and right now, major figures on the left are the primary cause of that.
          Example? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

          What do you want him to do? Not recognize the obvious bias the media has towards the Democratic Party right now?
          I would actually argue that the bias is in favor of Republicans. Take a look at SCOTUS. Republicans reversed course in one of the most galling displays of hypocrisy in political memory. Yet instead of talking about confirming a SCOTUS Justice 10 days before an election, something that has never come close to happening before, they instead demand to know Biden's answer on a hypothetical court-packing scenario that may or may not come to fruition or even be necessary. This is a confirmation that will shift the court to be the most conservative court we've had since pre-civil rights. That seems like a massive story, but they only want to talk about court packing. That's media bias against Democrats.

          And that doesn't come close to discussing Trump's corruption and how the media just gives up on holding him accountable. They are going after Hunter Biden because it is an easy target. If they try to go after Jared Kushner profiting off of his father-in-law's presidency, they will get attacked and so they back off. That's media bias. I could list dozens of examples if you'd like.

          Ignore the fact that Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post and conveniently stays out of the headlines despite being a money grubbing cock sucker?
          Is this where we talk about the recent NY Post article being owned by Murdoch and fed to them by Rudy G when no other outlet would take it?

          Or let’s talk about social media companies infiltrating peoples private conversations on their platforms to issue bans and delete posts based on what they say, something they literally never did before.
          It's a private company. Should Democrats or Republicans regulate how Facebook or Twitter can operate? Wouldn't that be authoritarian?

          Sorry bro, the left is doing a lot of fuck shit right now, and people need to shed light on it if it’s ever going to stop.
          The GOP is dragging, or trying to drag, Facebook and Twitter before a committee to be questioned on how they run their private companies. That, to me, is by far and away more authoritarian and concerning than whatever Democrats seem to be, or not be doing. Is Taibbi complaining about that? I haven't seen it. The Trump world wants to heavily regulate what social media companies can do or say. Democrats kind of want the same. But Taibbi heavily focuses on the Democratic part while ignoring the GOP part so the story gets framed as a Democratic issue and not a Republican one.

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          • #6
            I wonder if the Taibbi's of the world have an issue with stuff like this?

            https://twitter.com/stevesimeonidis/...080712/photo/1

            Officer in full uniform and gun wearing a pro-Trump mask inside of a polling location in Miami on the first day of early voting. This is textbook voter intimidation, especially given the nature of the mask. Outside of the infamous Black Panthers in 2008 at one polling precinct for an hour, there is no evidence of this happening on the left.

            https://twitter.com/Sifill_LDF/statu...61848294117377

            Bannon is already stating how he intends to win the election for Trump regardless of the voting outcome. That seems far more problematic than anything any Democrat has said over the last....ever? I cannot recall any instance of a main Democrat outlining a plan to effectively steal an election if those pesky voters get in the way. How much ink do you think Greenwald will spill over this? I'm guessing none.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DPR View Post

              Example? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.



              I would actually argue that the bias is in favor of Republicans. Take a look at SCOTUS. Republicans reversed course in one of the most galling displays of hypocrisy in political memory. Yet instead of talking about confirming a SCOTUS Justice 10 days before an election, something that has never come close to happening before, they instead demand to know Biden's answer on a hypothetical court-packing scenario that may or may not come to fruition or even be necessary. This is a confirmation that will shift the court to be the most conservative court we've had since pre-civil rights. That seems like a massive story, but they only want to talk about court packing. That's media bias against Democrats.

              And that doesn't come close to discussing Trump's corruption and how the media just gives up on holding him accountable. They are going after Hunter Biden because it is an easy target. If they try to go after Jared Kushner profiting off of his father-in-law's presidency, they will get attacked and so they back off. That's media bias. I could list dozens of examples if you'd like.



              Is this where we talk about the recent NY Post article being owned by Murdoch and fed to them by Rudy G when no other outlet would take it?



              It's a private company. Should Democrats or Republicans regulate how Facebook or Twitter can operate? Wouldn't that be authoritarian?



              The GOP is dragging, or trying to drag, Facebook and Twitter before a committee to be questioned on how they run their private companies. That, to me, is by far and away more authoritarian and concerning than whatever Democrats seem to be, or not be doing. Is Taibbi complaining about that? I haven't seen it. The Trump world wants to heavily regulate what social media companies can do or say. Democrats kind of want the same. But Taibbi heavily focuses on the Democratic part while ignoring the GOP part so the story gets framed as a Democratic issue and not a Republican one.
              Literally all of Silicon Valley and 95% of mass media is on the left and using every bit of their vast resources to demonize the GOP and promote left wing causes. The only way you don’t see this is if you live in a cave or if you’re blind. Thing is though, you do see it, you just don’t give a shit because all you care about is your side winning.

              The GOP currently has legal power, but they have absolutely no cultural or social influence. What this means is that any attempt they make at challenging the status quo (ie neoliberalism masquerading as socialism when it’s convenient) is ultimately futile, because all of the influence in society rests in the hands of their opponents.

              Trump is out of office in a few months, so what you’re talking about is basically old news. He has less than no chance at winning at this point, so it’s time to start thinking about what comes next. We don’t want to trade one piece of shit for another.

              You and I both know the NY Post is an outlier, don’t be ridiculous.

              Yes, social media companies should be regulated, and no, that’s not authoritarian. People on the left are always talking about the constitution being a living document and how it should be open to interpretation, but suddenly that no longer applies when their stranglehold on the internet is challenged. We have regulations for every kind of communication known to man, and yet for some reason, social media companies should get a pass. How conveniently libertarian of you.

              And they should. Just like Amazon and Google should be chopped into 10 pieces. These companies have way too much power and influence, and I’m tired of them leveraging it for personal gain. It’s bullshit.




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              • #8
                I don't trust the Lincoln Project people as far as I can throw them. Just remember all these cocksuckers gave us Sarah Palin that put the T-party wheels in motion - the T-party gave us the Terry Schiavo Evangelicals - who begat the Trump voters. So now crying about the monster they help create and asking the dems for help is a little too late for 220K dead Americans and 8Million Americans who got covid.


                I will take their support now but wouldn't give them a job in the Biden govt. Make them do some penance and recreate a new republican party - the party of Lincoln.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

                  Literally all of Silicon Valley and 95% of mass media is on the left and using every bit of their vast resources to demonize the GOP and promote left wing causes. The only way you don’t see this is if you live in a cave or if you’re blind. Thing is though, you do see it, you just don’t give a shit because all you care about is your side winning.
                  There is a thread on here by Spartan showing Zuckerberg and Facebook operating effectively as a right-wing media platform, so I really have no idea what you are talking about. Jack Dorsey is on the verge of being kicked out of his own company as pro-Trump investors buy up shares and verge on a controlling stake. The recent "censorship" was clearly violating Twitter's established rules on sharing personal information without consent. Others, like Charlie Kirk, have been suspended for intentionally spreading false information about voter and ballot fraud which may sow doubt on the veracity of the election results, greatly harming democracy. I mean, if they just stop being assholes, they wouldn't have an issue. But I think that is their plan. Flood the zone with shit and when media tries to push back, claim bias and victimhood.

                  The GOP currently has legal power, but they have absolutely no cultural or social influence. What this means is that any attempt they make at challenging the status quo (ie neoliberalism masquerading as socialism when it’s convenient) is ultimately futile, because all of the influence in society rests in the hands of their opponents.
                  No offense, but this is an absurd take. Folks like you seem incredibly reluctant to admit that Trump is, by himself, a massive cultural phenomenon who wields considerable power not only politically but socially.

                  Trump is out of office in a few months, so what you’re talking about is basically old news. He has less than no chance at winning at this point, so it’s time to start thinking about what comes next. We don’t want to trade one piece of shit for another.
                  I've seen this play before. They go after Hillary's potential corruption as President and forget that Trump can still win.

                  You and I both know the NY Post is an outlier, don’t be ridiculous.
                  It is the primary source of this recent Biden attack and has been covered extensively on Fox News opinion programming the past week and was/is the #1 shared story on Facebook.

                  Yes, social media companies should be regulated, and no, that’s not authoritarian. People on the left are always talking about the constitution being a living document and how it should be open to interpretation, but suddenly that no longer applies when their stranglehold on the internet is challenged. We have regulations for every kind of communication known to man, and yet for some reason, social media companies should get a pass. How conveniently libertarian of you.
                  I think they should be regulated as well. I'm just saying it is a pretty authoritarian stance that is shared by both the GOP and Democrats. However, they are sharing these views for differing reasons. Democrats are upset that Facebook has turned into a vehicle for disinformation and Republicans are upset that Facebook isn't allowing the disinformation to spread quickly enough.

                  And they should. Just like Amazon and Google should be chopped into 10 pieces. These companies have way too much power and influence, and I’m tired of them leveraging it for personal gain. It’s bullshit.
                  I'm not sure if Bezos is actually leveraging WaPo for personal gain. Maybe he is, but I dunno. But break them up, I don't care.

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                  • #10
                    Former RNC chairman endorses Biden with two weeks left in the election

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DPR View Post

                      There is a thread on here by Spartan showing Zuckerberg and Facebook operating effectively as a right-wing media platform, so I really have no idea what you are talking about. Jack Dorsey is on the verge of being kicked out of his own company as pro-Trump investors buy up shares and verge on a controlling stake. The recent "censorship" was clearly violating Twitter's established rules on sharing personal information without consent. Others, like Charlie Kirk, have been suspended for intentionally spreading false information about voter and ballot fraud which may sow doubt on the veracity of the election results, greatly harming democracy. I mean, if they just stop being assholes, they wouldn't have an issue. But I think that is their plan. Flood the zone with shit and when media tries to push back, claim bias and victimhood.



                      No offense, but this is an absurd take. Folks like you seem incredibly reluctant to admit that Trump is, by himself, a massive cultural phenomenon who wields considerable power not only politically but socially.



                      I've seen this play before. They go after Hillary's potential corruption as President and forget that Trump can still win.



                      It is the primary source of this recent Biden attack and has been covered extensively on Fox News opinion programming the past week and was/is the #1 shared story on Facebook.



                      I think they should be regulated as well. I'm just saying it is a pretty authoritarian stance that is shared by both the GOP and Democrats. However, they are sharing these views for differing reasons. Democrats are upset that Facebook has turned into a vehicle for disinformation and Republicans are upset that Facebook isn't allowing the disinformation to spread quickly enough.



                      I'm not sure if Bezos is actually leveraging WaPo for personal gain. Maybe he is, but I dunno. But break them up, I don't care.
                      Yes, let’s just overlook the fact that anti-white racism is fucking RAMPANT on all of these platforms and no one does anything about it. Once search on twitter will reveal thousands upon thousands of racist tweets and memes shared about white people that are literally never culled. Meanwhile, if you address a dude in a wig as a man, you’re banned almost immediately. They’re clearly doing everything in their power to shape the culture and popular opinion through selective rule enforcement, and they all but admitted to it on the JRE podcast with Tim Poole. It’s a fucking joke dude, and while it may be benefitting your aide now, you need to see how harmful this can be if it’s used against you and condemn it accordingly.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

                        Yes, let’s just overlook the fact that anti-white racism is fucking RAMPANT on all of these platforms and no one does anything about it. Once search on twitter will reveal thousands upon thousands of racist tweets and memes shared about white people that are literally never culled. Meanwhile, if you address a dude in a wig as a man, you’re banned almost immediately. They’re clearly doing everything in their power to shape the culture and popular opinion through selective rule enforcement, and they all but admitted to it on the JRE podcast with Tim Poole. It’s a fucking joke dude, and while it may be benefitting your aide now, you need to see how harmful this can be if it’s used against you and condemn it accordingly.
                        LOL okay man. I will never be offended by someone calling me a cracker. As Louis CK said "oh no, reminding me of the time I used to own land and people, what a bummer".

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DPR View Post

                          LOL okay man. I will never be offended by someone calling me a cracker. As Louis CK said "oh no, reminding me of the time I used to own land and people, what a bummer".
                          Oh aren’t you cute. Here, let me get some from today to see how these make you feel.

                          https://twitter.com/Sanakra1/status/...041738241?s=20

                          https://twitter.com/killeboni/status...470496256?s=20

                          https://twitter.com/Guwop_Reezy/stat...818403328?s=20

                          Literally all I had to do was search for “kill white people” and I found three of these in like 30 seconds. Feel free to do it yourself and play with keywords, let me know what you find.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sctrojan View Post
                            I don't trust the Lincoln Project people as far as I can throw them. Just remember all these cocksuckers gave us Sarah Palin that put the T-party wheels in motion - the T-party gave us the Terry Schiavo Evangelicals - who begat the Trump voters. So now crying about the monster they help create and asking the dems for help is a little too late for 220K dead Americans and 8Million Americans who got covid.


                            I will take their support now but wouldn't give them a job in the Biden govt. Make them do some penance and recreate a new republican party - the party of Lincoln.
                            Bro. These aren’t the guys who brought you Palin. These are the guys who brought you 2000 McCain. These aren’t evangelicals. I know you’re short-sighted as fuck, but you have to get that not all Republicans are the same. Like... they’re literally at odds with most of their party.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Deschet View Post

                              Bro. These aren’t the guys who brought you Palin. These are the guys who brought you 2000 McCain. These aren’t evangelicals. I know you’re short-sighted as fuck, but you have to get that not all Republicans are the same. Like... they’re literally at odds with most of their party.
                              Yeah. I mean shit, if Mike Pence was running for President I’d probably vote for him, because he seems like a decent man. Unfortunately, dumb fuck is in charge so I have no choice but to vote for Biden, which I was a little unhappy about at first but I’ve since come around on. I don’t think he’s going to be a great president, but I think he’ll be a solid B-, and I’m okay with that right now.

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