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  • The Gadsden Flag is now racist?

    Fcuk you people...

  • #2
    Triggered.

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    • #3
      All flags are racist.

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      • #4
        Everything is racist. And if you dont agree that everything is racist, then obviously you are a racist.

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        • #5
          touche.

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          • #6
            You obviously live in the past if you're just now finding out that people think/say this.


            https://www.gunbacker.com/gadsden-flag/

            Ultimately, it depends on both who you ask and how the imagery is being used. In most cases, historians agree that the Gadsden flag is not racist. Some caution that because Christopher Gadsden was a slave owner, people who fly his flag may be perceived as racist.



            https://www.jacksonville.com/reason/...me-flag-racist

            The EEOC found that the Gadsden flag originated in the Revolutionary War in a non-racial context, and has been used to express various non-racial sentiments, such as when it is used in the modern tea party movement, guns rights activism, patriotic displays and by the military.

            But the EEOC also noted that the flag has been sometimes interpreted to convey racially tinged messages in some contexts, such as in June 2014, when assailants with connections to white supremacist groups draped the bodies of two murdered police officers with the Gadsden flag during their Las Vegas shootout.



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            • #7
              I have no fucking clue what Dynasty is triggered about today but here is a good read from several years ago on the shifting symbolism of the Gadsden Flag.

              https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...e-gadsden-flag

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BChris View Post
                You obviously live in the past if you're just now finding out that people think/say this.


                https://www.gunbacker.com/gadsden-flag/

                Ultimately, it depends on both who you ask and how the imagery is being used. In most cases, historians agree that the Gadsden flag is not racist. Some caution that because Christopher Gadsden was a slave owner, people who fly his flag may be perceived as racist.



                https://www.jacksonville.com/reason/...me-flag-racist

                The EEOC found that the Gadsden flag originated in the Revolutionary War in a non-racial context, and has been used to express various non-racial sentiments, such as when it is used in the modern tea party movement, guns rights activism, patriotic displays and by the military.

                But the EEOC also noted that the flag has been sometimes interpreted to convey racially tinged messages in some contexts, such as in June 2014, when assailants with connections to white supremacist groups draped the bodies of two murdered police officers with the Gadsden flag during their Las Vegas shootout.


                This isnt directed at you. This is directed at the article:

                This argument is fucking stupid!

                By this logic, everything is racist.

                Hitler drank water. Therefore drinking water is Nazi-Facist.

                Good grief.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ibleed View Post

                  This isnt directed at you. This is directed at the article:

                  This argument is fucking stupid!

                  By this logic, everything is racist.

                  Hitler drank water. Therefore drinking water is Nazi-Facist.

                  Good grief.
                  Regarding the first example, yes. The second, not so much. If a hate group uses it as a symbol of who they are, their actions are going to be tied to it. Especially if used to drape the bodies of murdered cops.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ibleed View Post
                    This isnt directed at you. This is directed at the article:

                    This argument is fucking stupid!

                    By this logic, everything is racist.

                    Hitler drank water. Therefore drinking water is Nazi-Facist.

                    Good grief.
                    Agreed. You have to judge everything with intent. Much like guns don’t kill people but rather just make it easier to kill people, inanimate objects aren’t racist but can be used to exemplify or edify racism.

                    But at some point, inanimate objects can come to represent the racism of people. See: swastika, white hoods, etc.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BChris View Post

                      Regarding the first example, yes. The second, not so much. If a hate group uses it as a symbol of who they are, their actions are going to be tied to it. Especially if used to drape the bodies of murdered cops.
                      The point is that, just because a few instances of people using something in a bad way, it doesnt make the thing wholly bad.

                      Most rational, educated Americans understand the history and symbolism of the Gadsden flag. Just like most sane human beings understand the Betsy Ross, or the OK hand gesture, or even mundane things like flipping the bird.

                      Just because some idiots use these symbols in some instances in a bad way doesnt change the overall meaning. It also doesnt change the meaning when some idiot decides all of a sudden to be offended when he sees it used.

                      It can also work the other way around.... look at what southerners have been trying to do with the confederate flag for decades. A great many southerners use the confederate flag as a symbol of the peaceful aspects of southern culture, with no ill will aimed. Does the fact that many many southerners use the confederate flag in a non-racist manner change the fact that most people view the confederate flag as a racist symbol? No.

                      This is why context is important, but has become such a lost concept recently.

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                      • #12
                        No. But the people who have the Gadsden flag on their bumper next to the police flag are hilarious.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ibleed View Post

                          The point is that, just because a few instances of people using something in a bad way, it doesnt make the thing wholly bad.

                          Most rational, educated Americans understand the history and symbolism of the Gadsden flag. Just like most sane human beings understand the Betsy Ross, or the OK hand gesture, or even mundane things like flipping the bird.

                          Just because some idiots use these symbols in some instances in a bad way doesnt change the overall meaning. It also doesnt change the meaning when some idiot decides all of a sudden to be offended when he sees it used.

                          It can also work the other way around.... look at what southerners have been trying to do with the confederate flag for decades. A great many southerners use the confederate flag as a symbol of the peaceful aspects of southern culture, with no ill will aimed. Does the fact that many many southerners use the confederate flag in a non-racist manner change the fact that most people view the confederate flag as a racist symbol? No.

                          This is why context important, but has become such a lost concept recently.
                          People today aren't going to really care what it meant to someone 50 years ago when it's a common white supremacist symbol today. When you see a Black Panther flag do you think about the breakfast and study programs or something else? Serious question.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BChris View Post

                            People today aren't going to really care what it meant to someone 50 years ago when it's a common white supremacist symbol today. When you see a Black Panther flag do you think about the breakfast and study programs or something else? Serious question.
                            I might think the Black Panther flag is a symbol of breakfast programs if I saw it outside a local food bank and signs saying "free breakfast".

                            Just as I might think the confederate flag might be a cultural symbol if I saw it out in the middle of the woods on the back of an ATV parked next to a deer stand with hunting stickers on it.

                            Just as I might also think the confederate flag might be a racist symbol if I saw it in a field with a bunch of people in white hoods burning a cross.

                            Context.... it matters.

                            Historical meanings are relevant in that they shape the "default definition" of what people think when they see it. We have a very long history of associating symbols with these default meanings since information was slow to get around and thus symbols had a relatively fixed xefinition. In todays world, that's no longer necessarily the case. Many symbols are now being redefined, which means context is increasingly more important, but is sadly a decreasingly understood concept.
                            Last edited by ibleed; 07-17-2019, 12:44 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Also, the OP clutching his pearls over the Gadsden flag is the same statist cuck who was complaining about crypto a few months ago. You, good sir, can go fuck yourself.

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