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  • #31
    Originally posted by ivegostdacityblues View Post


    I’m going to be nit picky, but it’s the .01%. The top 1% is 420k/year....which is a fuckton of money, but I want my surgeons getting paid a fuckton. Those guys live very nice, but normal lives. They retire at 65, they work long hours. They most likely from middle/upper middle class backgrounds. They don’t drive politics through massive donations because they can’t afford it.

    The top .01% make about 20 mil/year. They really influence shit through donations and political deals. It’s an important difference when decided who needs to be eaten IMO.
    Makes 8 times the national average salary.

    “Normal lives”

    This is why women are waiting until they’re in their late 30s to try and have kids and half of them end up on anti-depressants with wine habits.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by ivegostdacityblues View Post


      Who gives a fuck what they want?
      Evidently you do because you use their products and without their products you'd be a fucking nobody on this planet.

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      • #33
        Trump is trying to get Bernie elected from the democratic side - beware of the shenanigans. If Bernie loses to Trump will the rest of us be able to kick the likes of Spartan and tOSU in the nuts on a daily basis until 2024?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by sctrojan View Post
          Trump is trying to get Bernie elected from the democratic side - beware of the shenanigans. If Bernie loses to Trump will the rest of us be able to kick the likes of Spartan and tOSU in the nuts on a daily basis until 2024?
          First of all Pajeet, you couldn’t harm my gargantuan sack with a rocket launcher, so don’t waste your time.

          Second of all, exactly what does this silly little election have to do with me or mine? My state gets called the second the polls close, and I really couldn’t give a fuck less about the result.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

            First of all Pajeet, you couldn’t harm my gargantuan sack with a rocket launcher, so don’t waste your time.

            Second of all, exactly what does this silly little election have to do with me or mine? My state gets called the second the polls close, and I really couldn’t give a fuck less about the result.

            Better have that looked at.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1894979/

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            • #36
              Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

              Makes 8 times the national average salary.

              “Normal lives”

              This is why women are waiting until they’re in their late 30s to try and have kids and half of them end up on anti-depressants with wine habits.

              Normal lives as in they wake up, go to work, retire at a normal age , don’t fuck over others in the name of absurd greed. They have some more stuff, and live in bigger houses in nicer school districts, and can pay for their kids college. Big whoop, unless you want pure socialism you’ll get that. Its not the people class warfare should be about.

              I don’t care if someone makes 4x+what I make getting paid market average for their profession while not fucking others over (except for Finance bros, fuck those people). I care when people fuck others over, and buy political protection and just repeat the process. That’s what’s rigging the system.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by ivegostdacityblues View Post


                Normal lives as in they wake up, go to work, retire at a normal age , don’t fuck over others in the name of absurd greed. They have some more stuff, and live in bigger houses in nicer school districts, and can pay for their kids college. Big whoop, unless you want pure socialism you’ll get that. Its not the people class warfare should be about.

                I don’t care if someone makes 4x+what I make getting paid market average for their profession while not fucking others over (except for Finance bros, fuck those people). I care when people fuck others over, and buy political protection and just repeat the process. That’s what’s rigging the system.
                Pretty much this. Someone making $200k or even $300k is doing quite well but they are not some power player.

                One of the people pardoned yesterday has a son and daughter-in-law who contributed about $200k cash to Trump's campaign. A person making $200k a year likely could not do that without risking financial hardship (meaning they'd be scraping things together for a while), but a person making $10 million a year could do that and not even look at their bank account to see if the check would clear.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by DPR View Post
                  One of the people pardoned yesterday has a son and daughter-in-law who contributed about $200k cash to Trump's campaign.
                  Contribute $200k to the Trump campaign and receive a presidential pardon and 30% off your next 5 night stay at any Trump resort!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by ivegostdacityblues View Post


                    Normal lives as in they wake up, go to work, retire at a normal age , don’t fuck over others in the name of absurd greed. They have some more stuff, and live in bigger houses in nicer school districts, and can pay for their kids college. Big whoop, unless you want pure socialism you’ll get that. Its not the people class warfare should be about.

                    I don’t care if someone makes 4x+what I make getting paid market average for their profession while not fucking others over (except for Finance bros, fuck those people). I care when people fuck others over, and buy political protection and just repeat the process. That’s what’s rigging the system.
                    The problem is that a lot of those people are just as douchey and greedy as the super wealthy, they just haven't figured out a way to get there yet. A lot of these people have been middle class and better their entire lives and view the poor and working classes with just as much disdain as the Donald Trumps of the world. I work in financial services, and my day is centered around working with affluent clients. You'd be amazed at how disconnected a lot of these upper class professionals are from the rest of the world, and some of the utterly ignorant shit they'll say in passing about people they deem to be "beneath" them.

                    These are the people the super wealthy depend on to keep things in line, because these are the people who are scared to death that the unwashed masses will come for them. This is why whenever things designed to give people a chance to climb out of the cycle of poverty are mentioned, these are the first people to come out and whine.


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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Canedude08 View Post

                      The problem is that a lot of those people are just as douchey and greedy as the super wealthy, they just haven't figured out a way to get there yet. A lot of these people have been middle class and better their entire lives and view the poor and working classes with just as much disdain as the Donald Trumps of the world. I work in financial services, and my day is centered around working with affluent clients. You'd be amazed at how disconnected a lot of these upper class professionals are from the rest of the world, and some of the utterly ignorant shit they'll say in passing about people they deem to be "beneath" them.

                      These are the people the super wealthy depend on to keep things in line, because these are the people who are scared to death that the unwashed masses will come for them. This is why whenever things designed to give people a chance to climb out of the cycle of poverty are mentioned, these are the first people to come out and whine.


                      But that’s on the individual person. That’s not a systematic problem. There’s people in the top 25% that act the same way. There’s people in the top 5% that don’t. Usually it comes then to life experience. I have extended family members who are doctors and they’re hyper Republicans mostly because they live in the burbs aren’t exposed to people “beneath” them. My best friend is a doctor of psychology, and his long term GF is a nurse anesthetist. They make way more money than me, yet are pretty liberal because they’re been exposed to all sorts of different people living in an urban area. They don’t feel that people that make an average salary are beneath them (we’d not be good friends if that’s the case).

                      The actual systematic problem we have is people who can give massive amounts of money to political to get their way. We made bribing politicians legal. Sure, could we tax the top 1% more...yea...but while some of them enable the problem they are not the actual problem.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by ivegostdacityblues View Post


                        But that’s on the individual person. That’s not a systematic problem. There’s people in the top 25% that act the same way. There’s people in the top 5% that don’t. Usually it comes then to life experience. I have extended family members who are doctors and they’re hyper Republicans mostly because they live in the burbs aren’t exposed to people “beneath” them. My best friend is a doctor of psychology, and his long term GF is a nurse anesthetist. They make way more money than me, yet are pretty liberal because they’re been exposed to all sorts of different people living in an urban area. They don’t feel that people that make an average salary are beneath them (we’d not be good friends if that’s the case).

                        The actual systematic problem we have is people who can give massive amounts of money to political to get their way. We made bribing politicians legal. Sure, could we tax the top 1% more...yea...but while some of them enable the problem they are not the actual problem.
                        I'm glad I speak discombobulated.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by ivegostdacityblues View Post


                          Normal lives as in they wake up, go to work, retire at a normal age , don’t fuck over others in the name of absurd greed. They have some more stuff, and live in bigger houses in nicer school districts, and can pay for their kids college. Big whoop, unless you want pure socialism you’ll get that. Its not the people class warfare should be about.

                          I don’t care if someone makes 4x+what I make getting paid market average for their profession while not fucking others over (except for Finance bros, fuck those people). I care when people fuck others over, and buy political protection and just repeat the process. That’s what’s rigging the system.
                          Maybe you and I have different ideas of what normal means then, I don’t know. The norm in the U.S. isn’t a high standard of living, stable income, long term investment opportunities, retirement at 65, plenty of disposable income, etc. Maybe it was at one point, but anymore, those things are considered luxuries for the majority of people.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

                            Maybe you and I have different ideas of what normal means then, I don’t know. The norm in the U.S. isn’t a high standard of living, stable income, long term investment opportunities, retirement at 65, plenty of disposable income, etc. Maybe it was at one point, but anymore, those things are considered luxuries for the majority of people.

                            You might be right. I associate with mostly people with at least a college degree, and most people in this country don’t have one so that probably shapes my perspective.

                            I think the top 1% should pay more taxes. Hell, I think the higher end of the shrinking middle class should get back in line with prior norms. I think most of the investments should go to giving opportunities to investing in people who live in areas that have less access to education/jobs whether it’s the hood/bario/trailer park, and to making sure people don’t go broke from medical care. I think the budget should be greatly reallocated from certain spending to help people at home. Not to forgiving loans for someone like my friends who make way more than the average person.

                            I just think it’s important to differentiate the cause of our problems vs various groups of people trying to get through life.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by ivegostdacityblues View Post


                              You might be right. I associate with mostly people with at least a college degree, and most people in this country don’t have one so that probably shapes my perspective.

                              I think the top 1% should pay more taxes. Hell, I think the higher end of the shrinking middle class should get back in line with prior norms. I think most of the investments should go to giving opportunities to investing in people who live in areas that have less access to education/jobs whether it’s the hood/bario/trailer park, and to making sure people don’t go broke from medical care. I think the budget should be greatly reallocated from certain spending to help people at home. Not to forgiving loans for someone like my friends who make way more than the average person.

                              I just think it’s important to differentiate the cause of our problems vs various groups of people trying to get through life.
                              It’s a delicate balance, for sure. You want to encourage people to work hard, acquire valuable skills, take risks, etc. but you also don’t want things to get to the point where once someone is on top, nothing they do can knock them off their pedestal.

                              Personally, as you and others have said, I think tax brackets are a big part of the problem. There’s no reason in the world that someone making 500k a year should be paying roughly the same percentage as LeBron fucking James.*

                              *No offense LeBron. Love you bro.

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                              • #45
                                The OP is either pulling our legs, or this is as stupid as complaining about 40% of sick days always taking place on Monday and Friday
                                Last edited by DynastyFSU2; 02-23-2020, 07:18 PM.

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