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  • #91
    Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

    I’m just saying, not being willing to vote for what you perceive to be a shittier option over a shitty one is not an endorsement.
    Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

    That’s how I see it, which is why I’m not voting anymore. Unfortunately, you have a lot of mealy mouthed lesser of two evils assholes out there that see it differently. Just speaking on their behalf.
    Its accepting the option you know for a fact to be shitty however reluctantly without protest over the option you only perceive to be shittier.

    I know Trump is an asshole that thinks he can do whatever he wants. I'm ready to give somebody else 4 years to show if they are terrible person or not.

    If a Democrat wins a likely scenario is they won't win a majority in the Senate so they will be somewhat constrained by that. Which doesn't seem like such a bad thing with Trump intervening on behalf of a Nixon stooge.
    Last edited by TTURedRaider; 02-14-2020, 12:42 PM.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by TTURedRaider View Post



      Its accepting the option you know for a fact to be shitty however reluctantly without protest over the option you only perceive to be shittier.

      I know Trump is an asshole that thinks he can do whatever he wants. I'm ready to give somebody else 4 years to show if they are terrible person or not.

      If a Democrat wins a likely scenario is they won't win a majority in the Senate so they will be somewhat constrained by that. Which doesn't seem like such a bad thing with Trump intervening on behalf of a Nixon stooge.
      When you add in the fact that McConnell has promised to fill every single court vacancy this year (as well as any SCOTUS vacancies that may arise) you're going to end up with a fairly conservative judiciary that will stand for 30+ years.

      So trying to reelect Trump will further stack the already stacked courts (unnecessary) at the expense of further empowering an autocrat.

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      • #93
        Now Barr is inserting himself into the Michael Flynn case. Basically going through and undoing everything Mueller did. Chances are they find a way to spring Manafort from prison too.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by TTURedRaider View Post



          Its accepting the option you know for a fact to be shitty however reluctantly without protest over the option you only perceive to be shittier.

          I know Trump is an asshole that thinks he can do whatever he wants. I'm ready to give somebody else 4 years to show if they are terrible person or not.

          If a Democrat wins a likely scenario is they won't win a majority in the Senate so they will be somewhat constrained by that. Which doesn't seem like such a bad thing with Trump intervening on behalf of a Nixon stooge.
          Which is why you will always be choosing between increasingly shittier options every cycle.

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          • #95
            Flynn got fucked. Manafort is another asshole that should spend the rest of his life looking at life through a keyhole.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by daCat View Post
              Flynn got fucked. Manafort is another asshole that should spend the rest of his life looking at life through a keyhole.
              How did Flynn get fucked? He lied to the Special Counsel's office under oath and obstructed the investigation.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by daCat View Post
                Flynn got fucked. Manafort is another asshole that should spend the rest of his life looking at life through a keyhole.
                Lying to the FBI is a stupid crime - if the president can lie to the public and get away - why should the public not be able to lie to the cops?

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

                  Which is why you will always be choosing between increasingly shittier options every cycle.
                  Not voting does nothing to ensure increasingly better options every cycle. Neglecting something doesn't usually make it better. Not voting means increasingly shittier options are elected by fewer people every cycle.
                  Last edited by TTURedRaider; 02-14-2020, 04:06 PM.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by TTURedRaider View Post

                    Not voting does nothing to ensure increasingly better options every cycle. Neglecting something doesn't usually make it better. Not voting means increasingly shittier options are elected by fewer people every cycle.
                    Such a silly line of thinking. If both parties know that the majority will participate in the elections regardless of what kind of garbage they put out, they’ll keep putting out garbage. If the majority doesn’t participate, it opens the door for a third party and forces them to compete for a huge swath of unclaimed voters by producing candidates people actually like.

                    In short, people like you who would rather dutifully comply by voting for horrible candidates based on assumptions like the above are the problem.

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                    • Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

                      Such a silly line of thinking. If both parties know that the majority will participate in the elections regardless of what kind of garbage they put out, they’ll keep putting out garbage. If the majority doesn’t participate, it opens the door for a third party and forces them to compete for a huge swath of unclaimed voters by producing candidates people actually like.

                      In short, people like you who would rather dutifully comply by voting for horrible candidates based on assumptions like the above are the problem.
                      I think you are the one being silly. How long will your plan of getting a majority not to participate to open the door for a third party and force them compete? Turnout of voting age population has been in the 50 percent range since 1972. Do you feel the candidates have improved in that time? In 1996, when Ross Perot ran as a 3rd party against Clinton and Dole after running in 1992 voter turnout actually went down from 55.2% (1992) to 49% (1996). Perot's vote share went down as well.
                      Last edited by TTURedRaider; 02-14-2020, 06:11 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by TTURedRaider View Post

                        I think you are the one being silly. How long will your plan of getting a majority not to participate to open the door for a third party and force them compete? Turnout of voting age population has been in the 50 percent range since 1972. Do you feel the candidates have improved in that time? In 1996, when Ross Perot ran as a 3rd party against Clinton and Dole after running in 1992 voter turnout actually went down from 55.2% (1992) to 49% (1996). Perot's vote share went down as well.
                        You’re right, let’s keep voting for two different colors representing the same corporate interests and pretending we have a choice. Everything’s been going swell with that strategy.

                        Just out of curiosity though, exactly where do you think government’s derive their power from? Because all of the things they say and write are completely meaningless without the consent and compliance of the governed. Wide scale protest of the available options by abstaining from the process in the way I’m describing would force change and the removal of corrupt elements, and is the only way to create a path for a new party or reform within existing ones. The country simply couldn’t exist or function unless that happened.

                        When Bernie Sanders is fucked out of the nomination, and mark my words he will be, it’ll once again become abundantly clear that my way is the only way for people to have their interests represented. Well, either that or violent rebellion/several assassinations/kidnappings, and I’m pretty sure we all want to avoid that.

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                        • Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

                          You’re right, let’s keep voting for two different colors representing the same corporate interests and pretending we have a choice. Everything’s been going swell with that strategy.

                          Just out of curiosity though, exactly where do you think government’s derive their power from? Because all of the things they say and write are completely meaningless without the consent and compliance of the governed. Wide scale protest of the available options by abstaining from the process in the way I’m describing would force change and the removal of corrupt elements, and is the only way to create a path for a new party or reform within existing ones. The country simply couldn’t exist or function unless that happened.

                          When Bernie Sanders is fucked out of the nomination, and mark my words he will be, it’ll once again become abundantly clear that my way is the only way for people to have their interests represented. Well, either that or violent rebellion/several assassinations/kidnappings, and I’m pretty sure we all want to avoid that.
                          Who have you been talking to? They're not in trouble, I just need a name.

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                          • Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post



                            When Bernie Sanders is fucked out of the nomination,
                            You are not voting for Bernie if he's our nominee

                            It's just fuck-you politics from the repubs. You just want to see liberal tears. There is no longer corporate interests on either side.

                            Liberal Corporations don't want to be taxed just like conservative Corporations.

                            Liberal Corporations don't want to be regulated just like conservative Corporations

                            Liberal Corporations don't want to pay higher wages just like conservative Corporations


                            So take corporations out of politics it's just left up to the partisans like you and me to fight for a vision of the nation.

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                            • Originally posted by sctrojan View Post



                              You are not voting for Bernie if he's our nominee

                              It's just fuck-you politics from the repubs. You just want to see liberal tears. There is no longer corporate interests on either side.

                              Liberal Corporations don't want to be taxed just like conservative Corporations.

                              Liberal Corporations don't want to be regulated just like conservative Corporations

                              Liberal Corporations don't want to pay higher wages just like conservative Corporations


                              So take corporations out of politics it's just left up to the partisans like you and me to fight for a vision of the nation.
                              Don’t tempt me, bitch.

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                              • Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

                                Don’t tempt me, bitch.
                                FV sports Red lobster parking lot 8pm be there

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