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  • Does Trump's refusal to cooperate mean a Constitutional Crisis?

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ts-impeachment

    A fair # of takes. Sort of disappointed they didn't get some wild ass Fox New fake lawyer take for shits and giggles, but it's hard to find legitimate lawyers to say that sort of stuff.

    I'm kind of with the crowd of, if the House gets a court order and the President still refuses, then we're at a Constitutional crisis, but not yet.

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    Yeah, the president right now is asking them to follow the letter of the law. Not just continue to talk in vague terms. If they are going to bring an inquiry, do it. Stop pretending you did.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DynastyFSU2 View Post
      Yeah, the president right now is asking them to follow the letter of the law. Not just continue to talk in vague terms. If they are going to bring an inquiry, do it. Stop pretending you did.
      Nixon was impeached for less
      Last edited by sctrojan; 10-09-2019, 11:40 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DynastyFSU2 View Post
        Yeah, the president right now is asking them to follow the letter of the law. Not just continue to talk in vague terms. If they are going to bring an inquiry, do it. Stop pretending you did.
        What part of Congress gets to set the rules up don’t you comprehend? Regardless, Trump wants this to happen sooner than later, so he’s already walking back a bit.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DynastyFSU2 View Post
          Yeah, the president right now is asking them to follow the letter of the law. Not just continue to talk in vague terms. If they are going to bring an inquiry, do it. Stop pretending you did.
          The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
          I don't see a requirement that they're not following there, do you?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Spartan View Post



            I don't see a requirement that they're not following there, do you?
            Dynasty is following Dear Leader. Stop expecting him to start thinking.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Deschet View Post

              What part of Congress gets to set the rules up don’t you comprehend? Regardless, Trump wants this to happen sooner than later, so he’s already walking back a bit.
              It's like they don't see past their own noses when they shift things though. How did the nuclear option work out?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Deschet View Post

                Dynasty is following Dear Leader. Stop expecting him to start thinking.
                Anti-constitutionalist Dynasty.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nash View Post

                  Anti-constitutionalist Dynasty.
                  He’s remarkably consistent. You have to give him that.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DynastyFSU2 View Post
                    Yeah, the president right now is asking them to follow the letter of the law. Not just continue to talk in vague terms. If they are going to bring an inquiry, do it. Stop pretending you did.
                    He doesn't know what the letter of the law means.

                    The Speaker and the House has started the inquiry. They are investigating Trump now hence calling on people to testify before the committees and the subpoenas.

                    In the case of Nixon and Clinton impeachments they had to formally pass a inquiry in the House to gain subpoena power. But in 2015 Republicans rewrote the House rules to give delegating subpoena power to individual chairmen without full approval from the House of Representatives. Democrats reaffirmed that process earlier this year, adopting impeachment rules that including granting their chairmen the right to issue subpoenas unilaterally.

                    Republicans made the rule change so they could subpoena Obama officials and now they are complaining about Democrats using the rules they created to subpoena Trump officials. It was a short sighted rule change and now Republicans are prisoners of their own actions.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TTURedRaider View Post

                      He doesn't know what the letter of the law means.

                      The Speaker and the House has started the inquiry. They are investigating Trump now hence calling on people to testify before the committees and the subpoenas.

                      In the case of Nixon and Clinton impeachments they had to formally pass a inquiry in the House to gain subpoena power. But in 2015 Republicans rewrote the House rules to give delegating subpoena power to individual chairmen without full approval from the House of Representatives. Democrats reaffirmed that process earlier this year, adopting impeachment rules that including granting their chairmen the right to issue subpoenas unilaterally.

                      Republicans made the rule change so they could subpoena Obama officials and now they are complaining about Democrats using the rules they created to subpoena Trump officials. It was a short sighted rule change and now Republicans are prisoners of their own actions.
                      Live by the sword, die by the sword.

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                      • #12
                        Short sightedness seems to transcend party lines

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Deschet View Post

                          Live by the sword, die by the sword.
                          Makes me think of the devil speech from A Man For All Seasons. Especially with Ralph Reed going all "Render to God and Trump" and Trump thinking he is a King accountable to no one.

                          Also this line reminds me of Trump.

                          It is a tale
                          Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
                          Signifying nothing.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TTURedRaider View Post

                            Makes me think of the devil speech from A Man For All Seasons. Especially with Ralph Reed going all "Render to God and Trump" and Trump thinking he is a King accountable to no one.

                            Also this line reminds me of Trump.

                            It is a tale
                            Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
                            Signifying nothing.
                            Life is a tale. But yeah, this line from Macbeth does sorta seem to suit him.

                            Here’s another:


                            “In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity.”

                            ~ Hunter S. Thompson

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                            • #15
                              Apparently, Sondland is saying that the reason he said there was no quid pro quo was because Trump told him there was no quid pro quo, reportedly stating, “It’s only true that the President said it, not that it was the truth,” in what appears to be walking back from prior comments on the matter.

                              I’m guessing that, for Sondland, this issue might be getting to the point of being just a bit too hot. While still not giving Democrats the smoking gun, it now appears that he wants no part in unequivocally parroting Trump’s stance that there was no quid pro quo.

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