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  • Spartan
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    Originally posted by daCat View Post

    Ahem
    Probably need to show your work for that claim.
    Gladly.

    The British East India Company killed 35 million Indians, including 10 million during the Bengal Famine that it exasperated by taking food from the farmers in lieu of cash taxes. Its actions were also directly responsible for the Opium wars as an attempt to find an outlet to make the occupation of India more lucrative. The wars killed an estimated 200,000 directly and the resulting opium usage killed an additional 16.2 million Chinese. Meanwhile, their main corporate rival, the Dutch East India Company, killed around 600,000 Indonesians conquering the archipelago. After World War 2, the Dutch retook Indonesia and killed another 300,000. To add insult to injury, the Netherlands forced Indonesia to take on their former corporate master's debt.

    That brings us to Leopold. This guy killed more of his own people than Hitler or Stalin in an effort to sell rubber before the trees were large enough to harvest in South America. An estimated 20 million were killed.

    And then there's the tobacco industry. The WHO estimates that 100 million died due to tobacco in the 20th century. By contrast, around 118,000 died from opiate use last year. Total numbers related to Purdue Pharma's deceptive marketing are hard to find, but it looks like the death toll is in the low millions.

    I could move on to deaths caused by corporate cost cutting in places like Bopal or the coal ash in your drinking water, but we've already doubled up the estimated communist death total. Let me know if you need me to keep going, though.

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  • tOSUfanboi2
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    Originally posted by daCat View Post

    Ahem
    Probably need to show your work for that claim.
    I’m sure he’ll post some stupid climate change bullshit and blame it on capitalism or something. Apparently he doesn’t see the difference between theoretical casualties and mountains of actual bodies.

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  • tOSUfanboi2
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    Originally posted by Spartan View Post

    Communism has not been tried in the modern world. It is impossible without coercive force which invalidates the entire idea.

    Also, more people have been killed in the name of capitalism than communism, socialism, fascism, feudalism, or any other ideology or belief system ever invented by man. That's leaving aside wars between capitalist and socialist states and ambiguously related events like the trans-Atlantic slave trade.
    That’s just flat out incorrect. The only way you can arrive at anything close to that conclusion is if you inflate numbers based on shit that probably would’ve happened anyway.

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  • daCat
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    Originally posted by Spartan View Post

    Communism has not been tried in the modern world. It is impossible without coercive force which invalidates the entire idea.

    Also, more people have been killed in the name of capitalism than communism, socialism, fascism, feudalism, or any other ideology or belief system ever invented by man. That's leaving aside wars between capitalist and socialist states and ambiguously related events like the trans-Atlantic slave trade.
    Ahem
    Probably need to show your work for that claim.

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  • Spartan
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    Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

    Its almost like the entire ideology is pie in the sky horse shit concocted and sold to idiots for the sole purpose of resetting the social hierarchy. At least you’re honest, I guess? Have a meme.

    Edit: https://i.imgur.com/UyNqeHq_d.jpg?ma...idelity=medium
    Communism has not been tried in the modern world. It is impossible without coercive force which invalidates the entire idea.

    Also, more people have been killed in the name of capitalism than communism, socialism, fascism, feudalism, or any other ideology or belief system ever invented by man. That's leaving aside wars between capitalist and socialist states and ambiguously related events like the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

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  • tOSUfanboi2
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    Originally posted by Spartan View Post




    https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/busines...www.google.com

    Damned commie billionaires.

    China was never communist. Communism is a form of utopian idealism that isn't workable at a national scale. You might have called them revolutionary socialist authoritarians under Mao, but since Deng they have been at least as capitalist as the US is. Words have meanings.
    Its almost like the entire ideology is pie in the sky horse shit concocted and sold to idiots for the sole purpose of resetting the social hierarchy. At least you’re honest, I guess? Have a meme.

    Edit: https://i.imgur.com/UyNqeHq_d.jpg?ma...idelity=medium

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  • Spartan
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    Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

    Oh whatever, stop with your spin move bullshit. A state doesn’t stop being communist the second they turn into dickheads.
    UBS and PwC said there were already more billionaires in Asia than in the US. On present trends, they would be wealthier than their US counterparts within three years.

    There were only 16 Chinese billionaires as recently as 2016, the report said, but now nearly one in five billionaires worldwide was Chinese.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/busines...www.google.com

    Damned commie billionaires.

    China was never communist. Communism is a form of utopian idealism that isn't workable at a national scale. You might have called them revolutionary socialist authoritarians under Mao, but since Deng they have been at least as capitalist as the US is. Words have meanings.

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  • daCat
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    Originally posted by Deschet View Post

    Communism can work in the microcosm. Think, for example, a small village with few ties to the outside world, aside from maybe a few other similar villages. There’s no need for money; simply a diverse division of labor.

    Fascism and Communism have nothing in common, save for the fact that communism has often been appropriated by fascist regimes as a means of control.

    Fascism seeks national unity to control its society whereas communism’s goal is that everyone in society is an equal. Both are totalitarian governments, but one is not like the other. Communistic governments are not, in theory, autocratic.

    In a communist society, the economy is directly controlled by the government whereas a fascist regime allows private ownership but directs them what to produce.

    Communism seeks to abolish social classes, whereas fascism is more intrinsically nationalist in nature, oftentimes with class divisions created on those same terms.

    Again, these are philosophical points. Communism has never been achieved outside of a tribal level and will not succeed until such a time as resources are virtually free.
    Thanks for expanding my summary.

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  • Deschet
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    Originally posted by daCat View Post
    Communism in theory is nothing like Fascism. Communism in practice is quite similar to Fascism.
    Communism can work in the microcosm. Think, for example, a small village with few ties to the outside world, aside from maybe a few other similar villages. There’s no need for money; simply a diverse division of labor.

    Fascism and Communism have nothing in common, save for the fact that communism has often been appropriated by fascist regimes as a means of control.

    Fascism seeks national unity to control its society whereas communism’s goal is that everyone in society is an equal. Both are totalitarian governments, but one is not like the other. Communistic governments are not, in theory, autocratic.

    In a communist society, the economy is directly controlled by the government whereas a fascist regime allows private ownership but directs them what to produce.

    Communism seeks to abolish social classes, whereas fascism is more intrinsically nationalist in nature, oftentimes with class divisions created on those same terms.

    Again, these are philosophical points. Communism has never been achieved outside of a tribal level and will not succeed until such a time as resources are virtually free.

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  • daCat
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    Communism in theory is nothing like Fascism. Communism in practice is quite similar to Fascism.

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  • tOSUfanboi2
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    Originally posted by Spartan View Post
    FTFY
    Oh whatever, stop with your spin move bullshit. A state doesn’t stop being communist the second they turn into dickheads.

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  • Spartan
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    Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

    See, this is the kind of unity everyone was after. Muslims and fascist states working together to oppress people.
    FTFY

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  • tOSUfanboi2
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    Originally posted by Spartan View Post
    https://apnews.com/c586d0f73fe249718ec06f6867b0244e

    China and Pakistan have set up a sex slave trade selling Christian minority Pakistanis into prostitution in China and both countries have killed any investigations into it.
    See, this is the kind of unity everyone was after. Muslims and communist states working together to oppress people.

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  • Spartan
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    https://apnews.com/c586d0f73fe249718ec06f6867b0244e

    China and Pakistan have set up a sex slave trade selling Christian minority Pakistanis into prostitution in China and both countries have killed any investigations into it.

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  • Spartan
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    Originally posted by FuqMizzou View Post
    So what does the bill do?

    I am guessing nothing as usual.

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    The first bill would require the State Department to certify once a year that Hong Kong is sufficiently autonomous to retain its special U.S. trading consideration — a status that helps its economy. Under that designation, the city is not subject to the tariffs that have been levied on China. The bill also sets up the potential for sanctions on people responsible for human rights abuse in Hong Kong.

    The second measure would bar the sale of munitions such as tear gas and rubber bullets to Hong Kong police.
    From the article. It looks like any penalties are at the discretion of the executive, but if they decide to enforce penalties they can significantly impact trade coming from China. The second bill will stop the sale of non lethal munitions to the Hong Kong police, which may or may not have some bad unintended consequences.

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