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  • Originally posted by Deschet View Post

    Yeah. I see lots of people vacillating between those two extremes. I’m starting to think they’re both right, to some degree.

    Trump is absolutely, unequivocally, a narcissist. Let’s get that out of the way. He looks out for number one in a manner I’ve never witnessed in anyone I’ve seen. Are there other malignant narcissistic assholes out there that are worse? Statistically, that’s likely. But, they aren’t the President of the United States.

    Now, how can Trump be both a buffoon and an evil genius? I think that it all comes back to that narcissism. Trump is no student of history. He eschews nearly all forms of knowledge, be it reading or listening to people far smarter than him on, let’s say, foreign policy. He does this because he thinks he’s the smartest person in the room on any topic. In this way, he is a buffoon who’s impetuous decisions are creating myriad problems both at home and abroad.

    Where Trump begins to resemble a Bond villain manifests itself in a few ways. The long play to become President for starters. The Apprentice gave him name (and brand) recognition in regions where people didn’t know a lot about Donald Trump. Many conflated the character with the man. That, I conjecture, was by design. Second, capitalizing on the Birther movement helped solidify his base. Many openly hoped he would run. He played off the already existing divide in our country. And, instead of attempting to heal it, he drove a wedge into it.

    You can probably argue that this was just good political calculus. But, I’m not sure if this was Trump’s plan, or whether it came from the true Bond villain: Stephen Miller. If there were ever a time to break Godwin’s Law, Miller would probably be the one guy out there who warrants it. He’s part Goebbels and part Heydrich. The man is as close to being pure evil as I can imagine someone to be.

    So, while Trump might not be the actual Bond villain, Miller is. Like some Machiavellian specter, he sits behind Trump and whispers into his ear.
    First off, I just want to say that you’re basically diagnosing a guy from a distance, and that no mental health professional anywhere thinks that’s a good idea. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I feel the need to tell you that the people who know about this stuff think what you’re doing is very, very unreliable. So yeah, maybe you shouldn’t make definitive claims like that.

    So he’s a buffoon then? Okay, I can live with that, but that means you have to abandon all of your high minded conspiracy theories. The dude simply can’t be everything you describe him to be, it’s not possible.

    He’s been talking about running for President for a long time, that’s true, but the same can be said for a lot of people. Just because you don’t like his motivations doesn’t mean there was a grand plan. If I had to guess, he wanted to be president because of the prestige and ego stroking that comes with it, which is why he gets so mad when people are critical of him.

    It is, and he’s not the first one to utilize divisive rhetoric to obtain a position of power. Not only that, but his strategy proved so effective that people are emulating him all across the political spectrum. The DNC candidates regularly say off the wall shit to get headlines, because it works. What bothers is me is that when they do it, it’s just pandering or for shock value and they don’t REALLY mean it, but when Trump does it, it’s an inside look into his super secret motivations. It’s nonsense. Either we take all of them seriously all of the time, or we don’t take any of them seriously. You can’t just pick and choose based on your biases when someone is being genuine and when they’re not.


    Yeah, funny enough, I remember you saying the exact same thing about Steve Bannon. What happened to him again? Oh yeah, he got ran out of the White House early in the presidency and hasn’t been seen since. You’ve been watching too much House of Cards bro, there’s no super secret plots that Trump is a front man for, we just have a dumbass for a president. Funny thing is, while your storyline is a lot more intriguing, the truth that I’m sharing here is far more scary. Not quite as scary as the only people who could possibly challenge him also being idiots, but scary nonetheless.

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    • Wow, talk about fake news...How do your editors miss something this big?

      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ab...n-war-footage/

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      • Originally posted by DSMoneypit View Post
        Wow, talk about fake news...How do your editors miss something this big?

        https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ab...n-war-footage/
        Yeah - someone in the footage dept fucked up but that doesn't mean there's no fighting in Syria. Where is your outrage at Trump claiming there were people in Newark dancing on the rooftops on 9/11 when the images were from some refugee camp in Palestine?

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        • Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

          Yeah, I’m not sure I understand your point here. I’d rather invite a homeless person that thinks he talks to Santa Claus into my house than a serial killer. Rationality =\= morality or relatability. If anything, the rational/logical person is scarier because they may actually have the means of accomplishing what they’ve set out to do.

          When a candidate says they’ll fight for transgender female abortion rights, they’re either willing to pander to the point of insanity or they’re not operating within the bounds of reality.

          When a candidate says they want to do away with religious tax exemption, they’re showing bigotry towards people of faith and a complete disrespect for the principles behind the first amendment.

          When a candidate openly calls themselves a socialist, an ideology responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people in the 20th century and the imprisonment of far more, they can’t possibly value human life.

          When a candidate expresses a desire to censor their opponents in the same way Trump has, they’re hardly any better than he is.

          I could go on for days, but yeah, most of these people opposing Trump are no better than he is and have the potential to be far worse. No thank you.
          Well spoken.

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          • Originally posted by sctrojan View Post

            Yeah - someone in the footage dept fucked up but that doesn't mean there's no fighting in Syria. Where is your outrage at Trump claiming there were people in Newark dancing on the rooftops on 9/11 when the images were from some refugee camp in Palestine?
            You're a fucking moron.

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            • Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

              Yeah, I’m not sure I understand your point here. I’d rather invite a homeless person that thinks he talks to Santa Claus into my house than a serial killer. Rationality =\= morality or relatability. If anything, the rational/logical person is scarier because they may actually have the means of accomplishing what they’ve set out to do.

              When a candidate says they’ll fight for transgender female abortion rights, they’re either willing to pander to the point of insanity or they’re not operating within the bounds of reality.

              When a candidate says they want to do away with religious tax exemption, they’re showing bigotry towards people of faith and a complete disrespect for the principles behind the first amendment.

              When a candidate openly calls themselves a socialist, an ideology responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people in the 20th century and the imprisonment of far more, they can’t possibly value human life.

              When a candidate expresses a desire to censor their opponents in the same way Trump has, they’re hardly any better than he is.

              I could go on for days, but yeah, most of these people opposing Trump are no better than he is and have the potential to be far worse. No thank you.
              If communism killed 100 million, capitalism easily killed as many — if not more. When we say blindly that “communism kills!”, it’s all to easy to think that capitalism is something like a religion — pure and pious, with no blood on its hands. But its hands are just as flawed and imperfect as any others. But the point isn’t point scoring. It’s to think well — which is to think critically — about these systems.
              https://eand.co/if-communism-killed-...l-2b24ab1c0df7

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              • I never said capitalism was “innocent”, but I do think there’s a big distinction between indirectly tying an ideology to deaths and an ideology having a propensity to produce death camps. Leftist ideologies taken to their extreme don’t just result in genocide and oppression, they demand it when taken to their logical conclusion. No inherent value on human life + belief in a oppressor/oppressed dynamic = mass murder. Erry. Single. Time.

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                • Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

                  I never said capitalism was “innocent”, but I do think there’s a big distinction between indirectly tying an ideology to deaths and an ideology having a propensity to produce death camps. Leftist ideologies taken to their extreme don’t just result in genocide and oppression, they demand it when taken to their logical conclusion. No inherent value on human life + belief in a oppressor/oppressed dynamic = mass murder. Erry. Single. Time.
                  Do you think capitalism values human life beyond an individual's ability to produce? Everything you named is a family of authoritarianism, not socialism. I know that Central planning has more authoritarian tendencies than liberalism and that's why I'm not a socialist. But the two aren't as indelibly connected as you like to make them out to be.

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                  • Originally posted by Spartan View Post

                    Do you think capitalism values human life beyond an individual's ability to produce? Everything you named is a family of authoritarianism, not socialism. I know that Central planning has more authoritarian tendencies than liberalism and that's why I'm not a socialist. But the two aren't as indelibly connected as you like to make them out to be.
                    I mean, that’s better that no value at all. Still not preferable mind you, but certainly preferable to being viewed as an amorphous human blob to be directed and shaped by the state.

                    Socialism naturally lends itself to authoritarianism, hence why almost every country that tried it ended up being authoritarian. See, seizing ownership of private property from private citizens (also known as “the means of production”) and redistributing it the “public” (also known as armed thugs in uniforms) is an inherently violent act. It doesn’t lead to oppression, it requires it.

                    The only way you can get around the violent theft of property is if you manage to convince everyone in your given area to give it to the government freely, and seeing as how that’s never happened, I don’t think that’s a possibility worth considering.

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                    • Originally posted by tOSUfanboi2 View Post

                      I mean, that’s better that no value at all. Still not preferable mind you, but certainly preferable to being viewed as an amorphous human blob to be directed and shaped by the state.

                      Socialism naturally lends itself to authoritarianism, hence why almost every country that tried it ended up being authoritarian. See, seizing ownership of private property from private citizens (also known as “the means of production”) and redistributing it the “public” (also known as armed thugs in uniforms) is an inherently violent act. It doesn’t lead to oppression, it requires it.

                      The only way you can get around the violent theft of property is if you manage to convince everyone in your given area to give it to the government freely, and seeing as how that’s never happened, I don’t think that’s a possibility worth considering.
                      Socialism works on a small scale. Let’s take, for example, the Smurf Village. As fine an example of a purely socialistic society as can be created. It could never work as a national economic policy. The Smurfs is a cartoon. And, much like socialism working on a nation-sized stage, is the stuff of fiction.

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                      • Originally posted by Deschet View Post

                        Socialism works on a small scale. Let’s take, for example, the Smurf Village. As fine an example of a purely socialistic society as can be created. It could never work as a national economic policy. The Smurfs is a cartoon. And, much like socialism working on a nation-sized stage, is the stuff of fiction.
                        Sure. Most families and friend groups are pretty socialist when you get right down to it. People are naturally inclined to help each other and be fair at the micro level, because if you care about the people close to you and vice versa, that’s the best way to be. The problem is as you said, once you get past a certain point, people just aren’t capable of viewing things in that way. I can respect and love the guy living 5 towns over to the extent that I won’t intentionally hurt him, but do I feel like it’s my duty to support him? Hell no.

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                        • Originally posted by Deschet View Post

                          Socialism works on a small scale. Let’s take, for example, the Smurf Village. As fine an example of a purely socialistic society as can be created. It could never work as a national economic policy. The Smurfs is a cartoon. And, much like socialism working on a nation-sized stage, is the stuff of fiction.
                          Like a small community church.

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                          • Originally posted by daCat View Post

                            Like a small community church.
                            Yes. Or the Smurfs, which is really just more fun. The leader wore a red hat for fuck’s sake! The antagonist represented capitalism, literally trying to turn the Smurfs (the proletariat) into gold. His cat was named after a fucking demon. LOL...

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                            • Originally posted by Deschet View Post

                              Yes. Or the Smurfs, which is really just more fun. The leader wore a red hat for fuck’s sake! The antagonist represented capitalism, literally trying to turn the Smurfs (the proletariat) into gold. His cat was named after a fucking demon. LOL...
                              I've never watched it. But from what you are describing, sounds like somebody was attempting to indoctrinate children...

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                              • Originally posted by Deschet View Post

                                Socialism works on a small scale. Let’s take, for example, the Smurf Village. As fine an example of a purely socialistic society as can be created. It could never work as a national economic policy. The Smurfs is a cartoon. And, much like socialism working on a nation-sized stage, is the stuff of fiction.
                                Which is exactly why most leftist policies scare the ever loving shit out of me. Some of these candidates literally said that it was wrong to go door to door to find criminals but are perfectly fine with going door to door to infringe the rights of law abiding citizens (Beto and Booker on gun control).

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