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  • #46
    Originally posted by daCat View Post

    What I said in my post about Hillary was her appropriation of the DNC. That's what wiki exposed. That's what the Russians were doing to Hillary. But you did the same thing you always do. You backed up the far left winger. That's a constant for you. Maybe you aren't as centrist as you think.
    Man. I dunno. Maybe it’s because my mom is one of those “Never Hillary,” pro-Trump types. I tend to see a lot of far-right-wing talk here and yes... I often back up the less-conservative side. But not always. I also don’t always agree or disagree with all of any side. To wit, I said I see your point. And dude... you do hate you some Hillary... some of which, I agree with as well.

    I have steadfastly held the stance that the DNC made a concerted effort to back Hillary. I don’t like that one bit. Waßerman-Schultz is as crooked as they come; I hope she goes down hard.

    Hillary has all the charm of a Gila Monster. The DNC was wrong to run her, but you might be right that Putin wanted Bernie to win. However, one thing I think most of us can admit is that Putin did NOT want Hillary. So, was Putin a “Never Hillary” person? Arguably, yes. That doesn’t necessarily mean that he was pro-Trump; after all, the enemy of my enemy is often my friend. Unless it’s UK vs. UNC. Bur I digress.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Deschet View Post

      Right? It’s all about perspective. That said, I’m trying to imagine someone being so far right that DaCat appears moderate. I’m sure they’re out there. But yeah...
      Do you know where else I appear moderate? On every single one of those political tests that has ever been posted on this site.

      Every
      single
      one.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by daCat View Post

        What I said in my post about Hillary was her appropriation of the DNC. That's what wiki exposed. That's what the Russians were doing to Hillary. But you did the same thing you always do. You backed up the far left winger. That's a constant for you. Maybe you aren't as centrist as you think.
        Who are you referring to as a far left winger? DPR or Hillary? Because I beg to differ in both cases.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Spartan View Post

          Who are you referring to as a far left winger? DPR or Hillary? Because I beg to differ in both cases.
          Certainly not Hillary. She merely pays lip service to the left.

          I'll play though. What makes DPR not a left winger?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by daCat View Post

            Certainly not Hillary. She merely pays lip service to the left.

            I'll play though. What makes DPR not a left winger?
            Easy. He's a capitalist. And before you say otherwise, welfare capitalism is still capitalism. He's also made arguments in favor of overseas military action. He is pro-immigration, but he still believes in borders and the concept of national citizenship. He may hate Republicans, but he's a moderate liberal, nowhere near far left wing.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Spartan View Post

              Easy. He's a capitalist. And before you say otherwise, welfare capitalism is still capitalism. He's also made arguments in favor of overseas military action. He is pro-immigration, but he still believes in borders and the concept of national citizenship. He may hate Republicans, but he's a moderate liberal, nowhere near far left wing.
              So essentially, you are saying he is a partisan hack.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by daCat View Post

                So essentially, you are saying he is a partisan hack.
                Correct. The kettle is black.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Spartan View Post

                  Correct. The kettle is black.
                  I see. You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by daCat View Post

                    Do you know where else I appear moderate? On every single one of those political tests that has ever been posted on this site.

                    Every
                    single
                    one.
                    Cool. Same here. I’m slightly left on social issues, simply because I don’t think it’s the government’s job to dictate much of that stuff. I’m also about halfway down on the libertarian axis, as I loathe authoritarianism. But guess what? DPR is only slightly more to the left, making him essentially a left-leaning centrist.

                    Here’s the thing. I think that, perhaps, most of us are, more or less, some form of centrist. Maybe just that slight variance in Center-Right vs. Center-Left seems like a chasm. But, if you ever met a true bleeding heart liberal or a dyed in the wool conservative, I’d like to think you’d know it.

                    Originally posted by Spartan View Post

                    Easy. He's a capitalist. And before you say otherwise, welfare capitalism is still capitalism. He's also made arguments in favor of overseas military action. He is pro-immigration, but he still believes in borders and the concept of national citizenship. He may hate Republicans, but he's a moderate liberal, nowhere near far left wing.
                    This. He still believes in the system.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Spartan View Post

                      Easy. He's a capitalist. And before you say otherwise, welfare capitalism is still capitalism. He's also made arguments in favor of overseas military action. He is pro-immigration, but he still believes in borders and the concept of national citizenship. He may hate Republicans, but he's a moderate liberal, nowhere near far left wing.
                      Not sure I'm in favor of welfare capitalism but otherwise some fair assessments made here.

                      What's funny is you just described a Republican in the 1980s. Just, with less Reagan corruption.

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                      • #56
                        What's funny is that I'm probably closer to Mitt Romney on policy than I am Spartan or Bernie Sanders. There is an ocean of socialism between me and the far-left.

                        But me making fun of someone for wanting an investigation into Hillary while some 35 year old unelected unvetted unqualified Manhattan socialite plays foreign diplomacy with the greatest military the world has ever seen to bail himself out of a bad business deal apparently makes me a far-left partisan hack.

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                        • #57
                          Lets fucking put the blame where it should be - the republican party - especially Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and Devin Nunes. If the party in power is not going to enforce the limits of presidential power - everything that Trump does becomes unprecedented. Bill Maher was right - who is gonna impeach Trump and put him behind bars? Even when he is done being president - in 4 years he will not be imprisoned for any corruption

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                          • #58
                            It's politics in a nutshell. Nixon only resigned after Republicans in the senate finally stopped covering for his crimes. As long as Trump maintains approval among the GOP base, they won't impeach him even if he's holding Trump Org business deals out of the Oval Office.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by DPR View Post
                              It's politics in a nutshell. Nixon only resigned after Republicans in the senate finally stopped covering for his crimes. As long as Trump maintains approval among the GOP base, they won't impeach him even if he's holding Trump Org business deals out of the Oval Office.
                              They’re all scared shitless of him. Trump is predictably unpredictable. That alone scares the bejezus out of them. If they dare say an unkind word, Trump goes to the Twitters and calls them names, then he finds some kook to run against them from the right.

                              So... they do nothing. It’s political pragmatism. They all figure that he has three to, at best, seven more years while they could likely stay there another decade or longer. So, most will privately grumble, like the congressman in the grocery store, but just keep their heads down during the day to day.

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                              • #60
                                He's without a doubt their useful idiot. I think if his approval slips a bit more and they lose the midterms badly enough they will abandon him. Every Republican would rather have Pence as POTUS than Trump anyway, so no sweat off their backs.

                                Will be interesting if they try and impeach him after midterms only to have Democrats block the effort because they know they can beat Trump easily in 2020.

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